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Title: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: DW5 on March 09, 2018, 01:23:15 PM
Yesterday, I was listening to a conversation between a couple of guys in the hunting industry in one way or another. One of the guys began explaining his thought process when deciding what he does and does not post online. This came about when it was suggested that he should film and post some of his back country adventures chasing elk and muleys. He is known as an archery expert. He stated that he basically sticks to posting strictly about the technical aspects of shooting a bow. He felt that is where his expertise lies, and it would be almost insulting/embarrassing for him to post about other things when he is constantly around guys who are so much better at it than him. The conversation then went for some time debating the actual merits of that thought process, and how it is different for him, it being how he makes his living, than it is for the average guy just sharing his experiences but not holding himself out as a "professional." 

All this got me to thinking... While I do not consider myself an expert in any aspect of hunting/shooting, what would I consider my "bread and butter?" i.e... what one type of thing that is associated with hunting and/or shooting that while you may not consider yourself an expert, you rate it as being something "in your wheelhouse?"  I chase deer/pigs/turkeys/dove/ducks around somewhat regularly. I'll find myself on the very occasional quail hunt and got after sand hill, pheasants, and geese for the first time last year. I do this with shotguns, rifles, and bows, and I like to shoot all three for fun. I still haven't quite come up with an answer to this question that satisfies me. It probably involves setting up and maintaining a TX deer lease somehow, maximizing the hunting potential on it, but I'm DEFINITELY not an expert at that either...

So, anyone have any thought on what their "bread and butter" may be? Again, not that you consider yourself an expert, just that out of all the things you do, you're pretty decent at it...
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: PARA45 on March 09, 2018, 01:39:16 PM
I read your post, several times and sat down and thought what I would consider my expertise.  I'll have to say that out of everything that I do, tracking is one of them.  I seem to have an eye to find a small speck of blood where other have not seen it, or a broken twig, or something other place.  I get down and dirty when I'm tracking a wounded animal.

The other one thing I'll say was because I'm not near the water anymore, is catching Florida lobsters.  My buddies would drag me behind the boat, and I would spot the lobsters all the way down to about 20-25 ft, if the water was clear.  I would then release the rope, and dive down to investigate to see if there more than one, or if that one was of legal length or not.   Back in my younger days, I was able to free dive down to 50-60 ft without any issues, and had some bottom time to spear a fish.  Those days are way gone.  ;D ;D

I hope that is the type of answer you were looking for.
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: badsection on March 09, 2018, 01:54:32 PM
15 years ago, I would have said I was the guy you wanted around to help you drag out your critter. Now, I would say mixing the drinks after the hunt.  Dirty martini, anyone?   ;D
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: DW5 on March 09, 2018, 02:12:27 PM
I read your post, several times and sat down and thought what I would consider my expertise.  I'll have to say that out of everything that I do, tracking is one of them.  I seem to have an eye to find a small speck of blood where other have not seen it, or a broken twig, or something other place.  I get down and dirty when I'm tracking a wounded animal.

The other one thing I'll say was because I'm not near the water anymore, is catching Florida lobsters.  My buddies would drag me behind the boat, and I would spot the lobsters all the way down to about 20-25 ft, if the water was clear.  I would then release the rope, and dive down to investigate to see if there more than one, or if that one was of legal length or not.   Back in my younger days, I was able to free dive down to 50-60 ft without any issues, and had some bottom time to spear a fish.  Those days are way gone.  ;D ;D

I hope that is the type of answer you were looking for.

Absolutely! Thanks for sharing! Iíve never even attempted free diving. And itís always nice to have a good tracker around. I tend to be that guy in my tiny little group, but not b/c Iím really any good at it, Iíll just keep at it a long time and try and use common woods sense...
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: DW5 on March 09, 2018, 02:13:09 PM
15 years ago, I would have said I was the guy you wanted around to help you drag out your critter. Now, I would say mixing the drinks after the hunt.  Dirty martini, anyone?   ;D

Invaluable!
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: DW5 on March 09, 2018, 03:17:16 PM
The guy who was hesitant to post his actual hunts was hesitant b/c he saw the serious skill that can be obtained simply getting along in the back country, muchless actually harvesting an animal... one of the things it got me to thinking about was simply the VASTNESS there is when it comes to hunting/fishing/shooting/outdoor competencies. The guy (John Dudley) is a pretty accomplished hunter in his own right, but only considers himself worthy of posting bow videos.

I guess thatís one of the reasons Iím so obsessed with hunting. You can never master all there is to it, I doubt Iíll ever master one single aspect... but itís fun to (attempt to) get a little better everytime out. Itís also humbling and inspiring to come across someone who is better at something than myself, especially if itís something I thought I was alright at.

The other thing all this as got me thinking about the last 30 hours or so is how daunting hunting can seem to a beginner if they donít  have Dad, Grandpa, Uncle, or some mentor there along the way. Lifetime hunters arenít proficient at all there is to know and do.

I guess it just sorta drove home the old adage of ďtake a kid huntingĒ.... heck take an adult hunting. While it may be irritating to walk out on opening morning of rifle Elk in Colorado and see the orange army, or have such a hard time finding a rancher that will let you hunt, even for decent $$$, in TX or Georgia, or pick the state, the non-hunting population is growing larger by the year. A hunting populous is one that will protect it at the ballot box. Not to mention the smile on someoneís face when they have their first successful hunt, of any kind.
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: PARA45 on March 09, 2018, 05:39:34 PM
I agree with 100% DW.  I took my son-in-law hunting for the first time last season.  I set him up in a stand I knew he'd have a chance at a deer.  Sure enough, he connected on the first morning.  His deer ran about 75 yds, and I left him do the tracking.  He used to be a tracker with a dog for the county prison, and he did a fantastic job tracking his deer.  After the fact, I showed him a couple of little tricks I learned a while back.  The smile, and excitement on this young man face was priceless.  He is now hooked, and he is looking for this year season.   ;D
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: wyominghunter on March 09, 2018, 06:30:11 PM
I'll go with badsection on this one - camp bartender! 😬
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: 224KING on March 09, 2018, 06:37:40 PM
I read your post, several times and sat down and thought what I would consider my expertise.  I'll have to say that out of everything that I do, tracking is one of them.  I seem to have an eye to find a small speck of blood where other have not seen it, or a broken twig, or something other place.  I get down and dirty when I'm tracking a wounded animal.

The other one thing I'll say was because I'm not near the water anymore, is catching Florida lobsters.  My buddies would drag me behind the boat, and I would spot the lobsters all the way down to about 20-25 ft, if the water was clear.  I would then release the rope, and dive down to investigate to see if there more than one, or if that one was of legal length or not.   Back in my younger days, I was able to free dive down to 50-60 ft without any issues, and had some bottom time to spear a fish.  Those days are way gone.  ;D ;D

I hope that is the type of answer you were looking for.
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Those damn cigars ;D
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: Michiganhunter on March 10, 2018, 06:07:31 AM
Understanding animal travel routes and anticipating where they will go.
I have been trapping since I was a boy and the most difficult part of trapping is getting an animal to place itís foot or head in a trap or snare.
To look over a hundred acres or a couple miles and then to have an animal place itsí foot on a trap pan 2Ē in diameter or head in a 6Ē circle of a snare, is extremely rewarding. Following tracks in the snow was my way of figuring that out.

In the winter my favorite pastime was to head out in the morning, strap on my snowshoes, spend the day in the woods and then arrive back home at dark. I would pack a lunch and grab my .22 and walk. I would find a track, it could be a fox, coyote, bobcat, rabbit or mink, and follow it as it made its way through the woods or along a creek. I would see where it walked, the places it stopped and try to figure out why it stopped.
Most animals, when not being pursued, will follow the path of least resistance.
So, when I am hunting with family or friends, I usually am the one who suggests where to walk, where to sit and glass and where the quarry is most likely to go when pursued by other hunters whether itís a human or animal.
I also take the most inexperienced hunter with me to show them where to hunt and tell them why. I also teach them how to spot game. To look for something out of place, to spot a twitch of an ear or white flash of an antler or butt of a deer. I will show them how to skin and bone out the animal. If it is too heavy to carry out in one trip, I explain to them why the last to go out is the antlers. They have a respect for that animal giving up its life and the meat it provides us. I enjoy this part of being outdoors more than shooting.
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: HuskyMusky on March 10, 2018, 10:14:06 AM
IL Archery Whitetails

Big game, archery/rifle.

Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: DW5 on March 10, 2018, 11:23:16 AM
Michiganhunter, your story reminds me of my childhood somewhat, except I was equipped with either a clone of a Benjamin pellet gun or a single shot 4/10 shotgun. I have never trapped anything in my life however. It does sound like trapping has brought you a wealth of field knowledge. You arenít the first person Iíve heard say that either, I feel as Iíve missed out on something due to my lack of experience. Iím sure just about everyone who loves to hunt and fish feels that way about something though.

Your post touched on another topic Iíve always been fascinated with... Developing a good(excellent) game eye. While practice makes you proficient, it is crazy to me how far apart one new hunter can be from the next in this area...
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: DW5 on March 10, 2018, 11:41:27 AM
I agree with 100% DW.  I took my son-in-law hunting for the first time last season.  I set him up in a stand I knew he'd have a chance at a deer.  Sure enough, he connected on the first morning.  His deer ran about 75 yds, and I left him do the tracking.  He used to be a tracker with a dog for the county prison, and he did a fantastic job tracking his deer.  After the fact, I showed him a couple of little tricks I learned a while back.  The smile, and excitement on this young man face was priceless.  He is now hooked, and he is looking for this year season.   ;D

Para, I remember the first couple of years I had really gotten into deer hunting as a young man... Iíd say from about mid-August till opening day was the largest sense of anticipation I ever had as a little fella, far surpassing the anticipation of any Christmas/Birthday/family vacation/ outting with friends I can remember.

I still get that same feeling sometimes these days. I still have an extremely hard time going to bed the night before certain anticipated hunts. And now with all this on demand entertainment/information I can always find something to watch/read about my mornings quarry till the wee hours of the morning. I hope that feeling never goes away. Iíve come to look at it as an invaluable part of the whole thing. There are a lot of fellas out there who donít get that from a single thing in life any longer.
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: Big Muddy rancher on March 10, 2018, 12:17:20 PM
My Dad didn't hunt so until my kids wanted to hunt I hadn't done much other then shoot gophers and coyotes. My youngest 2 like to hunt and my daughter is my hunting partner. My oldest daughter's husband likes to hunt/trap and fish so I am really supportive of him getting his kids/my grandkids into that way of life. The other G'pa is a fisherman with a cabin on a lake so that side is looked after.
Right now my "Bread and butter is making jerky and my Grandson's B and B is eating jerky. :).
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: DW5 on March 10, 2018, 12:45:20 PM
Preparation of game meat. Another aspect of the process that is SO important, and one where there are true artists out there doing their thing. Itís amazing what some people can do with a game bird or vinison! I occasionally read or watch what people like Hank Shaw do with wild game and marvel at it.

Thanks for sharing Big Muddy!

*edit* as an aside, the single most fascinating book Iíve ever read on the subject of wild game cooking is Steven Rinellaís ďThe Scancengerís Guide to Haute Cuisine.Ē Highly recommend it if you are into books about hunting/outdoors.
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: dubyam on March 10, 2018, 12:53:44 PM
When I was a kid, we can dogs for deer down in the manhandle of Florida. I was known far and wide as the one to get to catch up skittish dogs. But I haven't run dogs in decades. I miss it sometimes.

Nowadays, I'm discovering a new bread and butter. I've become quite good at reading where/how deer and other wildlife will move through property. When I started hunting here in the northern Alabama area roughly two decades ago, and didn't do well the first couple of years. But I learned a bit about deer habits during those years and began to really apply it. I became successful bow hunting a large riverbottom wildlife refuge (public land) and consistently took deer off the refuge for several years. Then I got into my current hunting lease, which is mountain terrain, and required me to learn again. I've become adept at figuring out how deer and other wildlife will use the topography and cover on our mountain lease, and several of my lease partners ask me about where they're placing stands and where I'm hunting. I share some, but after getting burned a couple of times by a couple of them, not all of my knowledge. There is one lease mate with whom I share all my info, but he's unique and one of my best friends.

I may be about to change my lease again and will have the learning curve again, but it should be fun.
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: DW5 on March 10, 2018, 01:38:24 PM
Dubyam, your post reminds me of what I hope my ďbread and butterĒ can one day be, the ability to learn well and efficiently. I hope I do something to further that goal every time out, sometimes I wonder though.

As far as hunting deer with dogs goes, Iíve done that exactly one time. I didnít see anything and I had a blast. I was with some extended family in who live in Arkansas and they took my dad and I out one morning to show us what it was all about. I can only imagine how fun it would be to actually add a deer to the equation.
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: badsection on March 10, 2018, 01:39:07 PM
I learned to hunt wildfowl from my dad, but he was never a deer hunter.  I read how to hunt, field dress and butcher from a book. I adapted what I read about hunting deer to hunting on a marsh from a tree stand.  I ended up hunting with 2 old guys that taught me a bit more and I drug out their deer for them.   Dragging a deer in knee deep marsh and soy bean fields wasn't always easy.    ;D
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: DW5 on March 10, 2018, 01:57:11 PM
I learned to hunt wildfowl from my dad, but he was never a deer hunter.  I read how to hunt, field dress and butcher from a book. I adapted what I read about hunting deer to hunting on a marsh from a tree stand.  I ended up hunting with 2 old guys that taught me a bit more and I drug out their deer for them.   Dragging a deer in knee deep marsh and soy bean fields wasn't always easy.    ;D

Nothing like paying for a fine education with a little sweat equity!
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: badsection on March 10, 2018, 02:11:35 PM
I learned to hunt wildfowl from my dad, but he was never a deer hunter.  I read how to hunt, field dress and butcher from a book. I adapted what I read about hunting deer to hunting on a marsh from a tree stand.  I ended up hunting with 2 old guys that taught me a bit more and I drug out their deer for them.   Dragging a deer in knee deep marsh and soy bean fields wasn't always easy.    ;D

Nothing like paying for a fine education with a little sweat equity!


Salt water mosquitoes and green flies were the real bastards!   :)  Took the first 5 or 6 deer with a Winchester model 1200 with a modified choke and slugs. It would do a pie plate at 50 yds.  And now, if the gun isn't sub moa, it's adios!  ;D
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: PARA45 on March 10, 2018, 04:12:04 PM
224, you are prob right about that, and being 56 years old doesn't help any either.  When I was in FL, I was still able to go down to about 25 ft, 30+ pushing it, but not deeper than that.  ;D ;D

DW, I still get anxious before opening day, and you are right, I still wait with anticipation for opening day of the following year's season. :)  I've said that the day I do not get excited about hunting, that will be the day I'll prob quit.  Nothing like being in the woods with friends & family.  Priceless moments.
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: terminator on March 10, 2018, 08:30:08 PM
I am the researcher for new products,best prices,best times to hunt and fish and guides for hunting and fishing in new places.I think I am the money man for hunting at our homeplace in Arkansas also.LOL
Title: Re: What is Your Hunting "Bread and Butter?"
Post by: zonie on March 11, 2018, 09:34:36 AM
I think I'm more of a generalist ( jack of all trades if you will ).  If I had to choose one mammal to specialize it would be Rocky Mtn Elk.  We live where they live , we watch them year round (pre scouting most of the year ) in fact this last 2 weekend my son has been out shed hunting got 8 sheds in 2 day's and the big bulls still haven't dropped in our area.  One of my other passions is big game salt water fishing i.e Tuna, Yellow Tail , Groupers, Wahoo, these types of fishes,  we are very well set up with gear, sometimes I will buy a rod blank and build my own rod with my colors , other times in my spare time I will buy an old used rod strip it and rebuild it.  Build my own gaffs, tackle boxes and lures/jigs sometimes.  I've fished the Ocean for 50 yrs  plus.  Have an 8 day long range trip set up this sept/oct out of San Diego,  one of my old boats is still in Loreto Mexico sold to a friend.  Last year got into canning Trout tastes like canned Salmon maybe a little richer tasting.