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Title: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 11, 2020, 11:44:44 AM
Just spent a bunch of money on this latest/greatest caliber and Iím nervous  that my brothers anniversary vanguard, that shoots waaay better than it should is going to out shoot me. Loaded up a ladder test of 208 eldmís vs 225ís in the prc. Only have 500 meters close by and according to hornadyís reloading data, the weatherby is smoking those 208ís out the barrel with reloader 25. Only have the one day to play as Iím part of the critical and so is my brother. Heís really going to give me a lot of crap if this new fancy caliber doesnít do something special lol
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Dino82520 on April 11, 2020, 11:53:40 AM
iIt may be the latest and greatest but a Weatherby is still a Weatherby. ;)
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 11, 2020, 12:05:17 PM
Well, if the weatherby shoots like Iím afraid it will, they should start putting a disclaimer that buying something else is stupid. In defense of the 300 prc, Iím still trying to learn the rifle and Iíve only shot a box of factory out of it.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: ifuonlynu on April 11, 2020, 12:12:23 PM
There are lots of graphs for both. The PRC is smaller, uses less powder and has less recoil. Personally either for hunting or Target Iíd choose the PRC.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 11, 2020, 01:45:46 PM
Well, so far, real world, the recoil isnít any less by a long shot. I had 2 different people ask what I was shooting.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: .257 on April 11, 2020, 02:46:20 PM
There are lots of graphs for both. The PRC is smaller, uses less powder and has less recoil. Personally either for hunting or Target Iíd choose the PRC.

Yes the are lots of graphs
Just how they get more velocity with less pressure and recoil is something l have to see to believe.
Claim the same for the 6.5 PRC
Went side by side with one using my 6.5-284, 400 to 1000 yards
The PRC burns more powder, has more recoil and had to dial more at 1000, meaning less velocity than my 6.5-284.
Both shooting the 143 ELD-X
To say the least l am not a fan.

Between the two l would take the 300 Weatherby any day

The 6.5 and the 300 PRC are nothing more than, more of what's already available with a new twist on advertising
Nothing wrong with either but still nothing new!!!
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 11, 2020, 03:33:29 PM
Well, Iíll be getting a lot of flack if your right. Before I made the purchase, I tried to stuff some 225ís in the weatherby. According to the reloading info, all is good. Well, I tried loading out to the point it would just barely eject a live round and it still didnít leave much room for a decent powder. I never thought about the 208ís till after I bought the prc. It will be fun and interesting I guess. The weatherby is wicked accurate with 180ís
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: .257 on April 11, 2020, 03:48:57 PM
Keep us posted. Maybe l am wrong. It will be interesting
I have a friend loading a 212 ELD-X in a 300 win mag, so l would think the Weatherby would have enough room for powder.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 11, 2020, 04:00:52 PM
Well, when I was comparing, for some reason hornady is showing a pretty big speed jump from the 208ís to the 212. Not sure how real world it is but itís (weatherby) faster than the prc until it goes heavy in theyíre book. I donít use a chronograph, just the app and drop for velocity so it will be  fun to see.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: 224KING on April 11, 2020, 07:54:36 PM
Aint it funny how people are still trying to out do Roy's 300 75 years later.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 11, 2020, 08:09:14 PM
Iíll post some pics tomorrow. On paper , this shouldnít even be a contest. The prc weighs about 10#ís and the scope is stupid heavy. My brother only paid $600 in Montana for the weatherby, we did have a custom brake put on that we eventually will blue to match. I want to say the weatherby is a fluke as 3 people now that have shot it have  shot one ragged hole at 200 yards with factory 180ís. Iím about 1 moa with the prc with factory 225ís but Im still trying to learn the rifle
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: eford on April 11, 2020, 09:05:38 PM
Aint it funny how people are still trying to out do Roy's 300 75 years later.
Yup.
In all honesty, the loose but behind the rifle has a lot to do with accuracy as you might be able to deal with the variables better than him. A 300 Roy is made for hunting and Iíll put my Vanguard or Mark V against anyone in a long range contest.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 06:10:18 AM
Hereís some pics
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 06:12:41 AM
Trouble sending more than one
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 06:14:01 AM
Last one
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 06:15:38 AM
Sorry, pics are blurry, not sure why
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: catskinner on April 12, 2020, 06:38:25 AM
Aint it funny how people are still trying to out do Roy's 300 75 years later.

this is so true

Rob
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: ifuonlynu on April 12, 2020, 07:36:31 AM
Just to add to the squabble. There are many rifles in 308 that will shoot the same projectiles faster with less recoil than the 30-06🤔 short fat columns work better than long ones sometimes. Also chambers and barrels are funny creatures. I can duplicate everything my 257 Weatherby does with my 25-284 with 100 grain bullets.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 03:19:26 PM
200 yards, 2/10th ladder, long ways to go. Nothing yet except a sore shoulder but man what a beautiful day
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 03:21:04 PM
Open to any tips lol
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 03:22:04 PM
One more
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 03:23:37 PM
Beautiful
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: .257 on April 12, 2020, 03:27:58 PM
What powder are you using?
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 03:48:14 PM
Rl 25 . Hard to find even that. But hornady shows it as a good fit for the 208ís
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 03:50:18 PM
Hereís what Iím going off of
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 03:51:07 PM
Hereís the prc
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 03:55:28 PM
My son showed up with his girlfriend and started plinking a 6 inch gong at the 200 meter, open sights, standing freehand with his 22 lr. He was on the rifle team and placed third in the state his last year. Made me want to put my gun away lol
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: .257 on April 12, 2020, 06:40:44 PM
How many rounds do you have down the barrel?
Seems like you have a lot of  variation in your group sizes for only a 2/10 difference
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 07:51:28 PM
Roughly two boxes of 180ís. A good portion of the variations is probably me. Iím struggling a bit with the recoil. Even the beginning loads and the muzzle brake with the heavier bullets have left a dandy bruise. Plus Iíve been shooting a lot of different rifles lately. Was actually hoping for some good groups early after about the 5 round lol 😂
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 07:55:18 PM
Plus itís 200 not 100 yards so it looks a little worse than it is but it helps me see the spread better
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: purplefox66 on April 12, 2020, 07:58:37 PM
What is a ladder test ???
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: eford on April 12, 2020, 08:25:14 PM
A ladder test is the increase in powder across a number of loads, such as 44.0 grains, then 44.3, 44.6, 44.9 and so on but keeping all other aspects of the loads the same. Usually a 3-shot group will show you a wide or tight enough group to make a reasonable judgement about it being a good load or not. Further tweeking of the most accurate loads can be done, such as changing seating depth but thatís not part of a ladder test.
With a small case, such as a 222 Rem, a 0.3 increase in the powder charge can make a bigger difference with muzzle velocity than the same increase with a large load used by a 300 Weatherby Magnum (80+ grains).
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 08:36:30 PM
Well, maybe itís a local term, just means powder increments from a starting load up to max or pressure signs. I use .2 of a grain although.3 is probably more practical with the bigger calibers. A lot of guys nowadays look for a flat in velocity with a chronograph which might be better in my case as Iím having a bit of trouble with the recoil. Although I might as well grit my teeth and learn the rifle. I could be fighting seating depth or powder too. Thereís probably more than a few guys on here that have the knowledge and the shoulder that could make the whole process look boring and easy. Must say I didnít think much about all the hecktick crap going on while that thing was trying to punch my shoulder off. Hoping sharing the fun is doing the same for everyone else on here
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: eford on April 12, 2020, 08:43:16 PM
Nealm66: are you shooting off a bench or from the prone position? A slip on recoil pad, like one used on shotguns, might be a big help with the recoil.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: purplefox66 on April 12, 2020, 08:53:27 PM
I have been doing ladder tests and didn,t even know it. Thanks nealn66 and Eric for the info.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 12, 2020, 08:59:22 PM
Lol, definitely crossed my mind. Even sweating in a big fat coat. Not sure if you have any brothers but my older brother was right there blasting away next to me and I wouldnít have ever heard the end of that one. Iíd be better off making up some good reason to use a chronograph that avoided the recoil truth ha ha. No worries, itís his rifle. I was actually worried it was going to blow ragged holes right off the bat and make my prc purchase pointless. Itís still possible I just havenít hit a node yet. .2 increments take a while to get through and I have a sneaky suspicion those 208ís could be a prcís nightmare lol
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: 224KING on April 13, 2020, 06:49:13 AM
I would have went with probably 1 grain increments,with a case that big,on first ladder test then picked the best group and dropped to 3/10ths powder charge difference.After that I would try different seating depths on the powder charge that gave the best groups during the ladder test.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 13, 2020, 09:03:51 AM
I havenít had great success with that method. Iíve even seen on here, I canít remember who it was but if I remember right, they took the speed they liked and just played with bullet seating depth until it grouped good. Good grief that sounds easy lol. Out of curiosity I did measure a couple of the better groups and they were at 1.2 inches ( Iím not sure how to measure for correct moa) which isnít horrible for 200 yards
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: zonie on April 13, 2020, 10:35:57 AM
I'm confused here, getting older I guess.   In the pictures which I can't seem to enlarge on my computer to see any detail as to two different rifles and one with a de-resonator.  A little more information if you would please.  What brand and model is your new 300 prc  ?     Comparing to anything else is a non-issue  for the most part with the exception of fps velocities which can be done at any time and it does have to be done.   The reason I say this is because your rifle is going to like what it likes accuracy and speed wise to your rifle only given a certain baseline of re-loading components you will be using or factory ammo.   A person is peeing in the wind without accurate velocities especially at these longer ranges.  Without going into  great detail a ladder test is what the majority of re-loaders use when testing ammo because it's the fastest and easiest, and this is fine.    The Optimum charge weight OCW  test method is a kind of a take off or improved or more detailed  version of the ladder test if you will.  I won't explain it you guys can read up on it and try it if you want.  One  thing is keeping your groups in the general same area on the target  Now while using the same powder in different increments large capacity cases larger increments, medium cases smaller increments , small handgun cartridges a lot smaller powder test increments.  Load up a few shells with say 4 rounds min of each of  your test loads,  note 3 round groups can be a little mis-leading IMO the more rounds to a point the better when load testing,  Using the same bullet, primer, case, oal, with the exception of different powder charge weights.  you aren't worried about velocities just right yet only group size and where it hits on the target.   Shoot 1 test load and see where it hits on the target keeping a record of the load,  shoot another test load with increased powder charge and see where it hits on the target . and so on.   What you are looking for is not group size per say, but rather where on the target are the group or groups hitting,  if 3 out of 5 groups tested are shooting up and right within an inch or so of each other this is good,  and if the other groups are shooting all over the target this is bad,  your most consistent loads are the ones that are in the same general area, one group may be 1 " group another 1 1/2" group, another might be 3/4" group so long as they are in the same general area each time,  that's your starting place to start fine tuning in smaller powder charge increments trying to find the best group and then fine tuning again this time adjusting seating depths.  What you are doing is finding the barrel node where the bullet exits roughly the same place at the end of the barrel each time, check velocities before you get too carried away with switching a bunch of components to make sure these are the velocities you can live with.  If this doesn't work and you can't get any groupings in any one area change one thing at a time,  powder or bullets and start over.  If you have a chronograph you can check velocities really at any time and it might be better the sooner the better to weed out any powder or bullets that just aren't cutting it.  Another advantage to this approach is you know the powder charge weight are going to somewhat consistent on the target given a few plus or minus in charge weight  This is a good thing IMO  especially when shooting at different temps, altitudes, and when you got to go buy powder 2 years down the road and it's a different lot.   Lots of different ways you can go about getting the same results just don't get set on it's got to be this or that accurate or this or that velocity your rifle is going to tell you.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 13, 2020, 01:27:10 PM
Sorry for any confusion, thanks for the feedback. I think I know what your saying about the group thatís away from the others. False node is a term Iíve heard. Iíve chased that problem with a creedmoor. I donít see the significant changes in poi usually with .2 ladder so I can get tricked easier. My method isnít as quick as some but it was taught to me by the president of our local rifle club and it seems to work ok. Always good to hear different approaches and soak up as much as I can. The prc is a Christensen arms Mesa long range. Sorry you couldnít zoom. I havenít posted many pics before so they were kinda blurry. Think it was the size of image I chose. Iím not sorry I bought the prc but I probably wouldnít have if Iíd have investigated the 300 weatherby potential a little more thorough. Will be fun to have them both dialed in and see if thereís really any advantage to the new caliber. I really was just trying to share the fun and it also might be something someone else is debating. Iíve got a ways to go with both guns to get them ready. I work full time and in the middle of building a house so sometimes a project like this is just what the doctor ordered. Again thanks for the feedback and itís always good to hear the different angles. So far , the shotgun shoulder pad suggestion is definitely going to be on the to do list  :)
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: zonie on April 13, 2020, 05:50:45 PM
I know the feeling I was still working when we built our new house , fortunately my son is a contractor.   To be honest I haven't heard anything bad about Christensen arms in fact I wouldn't mind have one.   One thing about Weatherby Vanguards  they tend to be accurate and barrels shoot fast,  I have a Vanguard 300 the older S1  which will push a 180 grain to 3300 fps + in a 24" bbl  with new brass and still get 3 firings before the primer pocket opens slightly, and still accurate. My 300  Mark V,   I can push pretty hard and still very good accuracy.  I'm not a huge fan of a belt on any cartridge unless it absolutely needs it and there isn't that many that actually need a belt a few and that's about it. 375 & 300 H&H are a couple.  Keep us posted on your results always good to get new information.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 14, 2020, 06:27:06 AM
Ya, Iím doing as much as I can myself. I have some friends with construction skill sets that get me going in the right direction. Building a shower pan currently. Last day off so , hi ho
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 25, 2020, 12:06:36 PM
Loaded up some prc with the once fired Hornady brass. Definitely different than weatherby brass. Some of the primer pockets weíre already feeling loose. Ordered some adg brass, will play around with the Hornady for a bit to get the barrel broke in before I start with the adg (it was kinda spendy). Got 10 more strings of weatherby Iím hoping to shoot if it warms up enough. Iíve got a shotgun pad but my brother says a thick wool sock works better so the butt of the rifle can find the shoulder socket better. Also noticed the virgin weatherby 300 brass is very good quality. 
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: HuskyMusky on April 27, 2020, 05:59:22 PM
I know the PRC /ruger etc... was designed to fit in a standard length action instead of a magnum length, but I think these cases/cartridges would be MORE ATTRACTIVE if they were magnum length...

duplicating magnum performance in a standard length action does little for me...

but betting current magnums with standard bolt faces....fills a nice lil niche I think between the say .300 win.mag and .300 RUM....

or the 375 ruger, H&H, RUM/WBY.... etc... and so on...

PS- not crazy about free bore on weatherby cartridges...

and there are so many also rans....these days...in cartridges.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 28, 2020, 05:05:33 PM
Well, this is all just for fun and so far it has been for me. As far as just for the average guy, hunting only purposes, the weatherby hands down, no contest. Even with the new howa at similar prices, the weatherby factory ammo is where it shines. But for getting together with a bunch of buddies and moving steel around and seeing who can get first shot hits, (handloads), this is where Iíd say itís going to be fun. I found two pretty good groups close together in the ladder. Going to load 10 of each and proof and chrono. Going to ladder test some hunting bullets for the prc to get a first fire with the adg brass and also it will also be used for elk in Utah by a friend. Iíd loan him the weatherby but itís just too dam nice looking and I donít want to scratch it haha. I noticed the Christensen arms lr is chambered tight for the 225ís and is a bit long with 230ís at 20 thousandths off. Hoping to shoot again next weekend.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: HuskyMusky on April 28, 2020, 06:06:25 PM
338 PRC magnum length would get me excited...
ideally 340 performance, no free bore,

not sure what a .338 PRC would produce...
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on April 28, 2020, 06:57:46 PM
I wish I could shoulder a 340 weatherby. I friend of mine wants me to tune a 300-378. Heís twice my size and when I brought up the fact that I suck with heavy recoil he says he tried a couple different muzzle brakes and the factory muzzle brake worked the best, barely has any kick. I still have my doubts. He paid a reputable guy for load work up with 210ís and turret info so Iím guessing itís a freaking beast. One thing Iíll add while Iím rambling that I have noticed with the factory 300 weatherby ammo is that for long range hunting, I would do some cold bore shootings at different temps. The 257 and 6.5-300 seem almost immune
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on June 02, 2020, 06:48:54 PM
Update on things if anybodyís interested. Finally got out to chrono the weatherby. Got some brass fireformed for the prc
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: .257 on June 02, 2020, 07:44:04 PM
Interested in how the Weatherby stacks up with the PRC.
What did the Weatherby do with the chronograph?
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on June 02, 2020, 08:28:58 PM
Well, I found a good accuracy node at 77.2 and 77.4 -rl25 so I split and loaded 30 rds at 77.3, I annealed 15 and left 15 at 2nd firing. Both batches averaged 2654 which was about 100fps slower than Hornady data would have them with 24Ē barrel. Iím shooting about 600í elevation so that might be the issue - not sure. Still, laser beams as far as accuracy goes which still makes it plenty good for some long range fun. Iíve decided to go with the 245 Bergerís in the prc since it will be used to hunt. I loaded up 40 @ .2 ladder with 212 Hornady and ramshot LRT mainly to fireform but also out of curiosity. Powder is way too slow, last 4 of the string were starting to compress and had a long ways to go to reach max. Horrible shooting on my part trying to get used to this gun, not that I was planning on using but Iím glad I used the cheaper bullets to start. Iím pretty sure I figured it out on the last string but good grief. To make matters worse there was an old timer there blasting 1/2 groups with a 338 RUM lol. What a blast though, I had my Creedmoor set up on another bench and was smacking this 6Ē blob of steel they have hanging off the 500 meter rail ( got a competition on the 28th). Iíll see how the leupold tracks with the leupold data in a couple weeks and start load work with the Bergerís. Might see if my brother wants to use the weatherby in the hunter class at 600, it might be hard to beat but heís got a pretty good chance with his 6.5-284 Norma so hard to say. Anyways, sorry so long. It felt so dang good to get a range day with all the crap going on
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on June 23, 2020, 08:45:15 PM
Finally got out to see how the weatherby would tracity. Spot on out to 400 meters but somethingís wrong at 500. Going to have to set up a target camera and shoot some paper to see. Think it was user error with the ballistic app. Got a new kesler that probably had the correct moa but was short on time. The 300 prc was giving me fits. Finally figured out the screws holding the rail came loose. Blue loctite this time gave me some decent groups. I just left the chronograph strapped to the barrel while I shot hoping to kill two birds. Long ways to go but last group was around an inch at 200 and 2650 with the 245 Bergerís. Got two hot to keep shooting so hopefully next weekend I can figure out the weatherby and continue with the prc. Hope they donít shut us down from going to the east side for our long range plinking party. Sure be glad when this virus is history 
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: HuskyMusky on June 24, 2020, 12:22:42 PM
I wish I could shoulder a 340 weatherby. I friend of mine wants me to tune a 300-378. Heís twice my size and when I brought up the fact that I suck with heavy recoil he says he tried a couple different muzzle brakes and the factory muzzle brake worked the best, barely has any kick. I still have my doubts. He paid a reputable guy for load work up with 210ís and turret info so Iím guessing itís a freaking beast. One thing Iíll add while Iím rambling that I have noticed with the factory 300 weatherby ammo is that for long range hunting, I would do some cold bore shootings at different temps. The 257 and 6.5-300 seem almost immune

I have a fibermark 340 no brake, I swear it kicks less than my 300win.mag, but that has a wood stock and a muzzle brake! browning,

it's slightly less IMO.

it definitely let's you know it went off.
I think a synthetic stock, with a good brake....could mellow a 340...but I'm not a brake fan.
I am thinking about a .300wsm in a lighter magnum setup...with a bit less kick. kind of a do all modern 30.06.... I think 300wsm w/ 150gr TSX.... if I need more gun, the 340 w/225gr TSX will get the nod.

If you can shoulder a 300wby, you definitely can shoot a 340wby. for what it's worth.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on June 24, 2020, 06:44:24 PM
Lol, this ones a beautiful vanguard with a wood stock. Anniversary edition. Itís the most accurate gun Iíve ever shot with factory 180ís. Itís my brothers and it was probably going to be a safe queen. The president of our gun club built and installed a muzzle break on it but it still leaves my shoulder black and blue. I started putting a stocking hat between. Itís a challenge to see if the 500M gong is swinging after a shot lol. I could probably squeeze quite a bit more fps out of it but Iíd have to have someone else shoot it. My brother shoots heavy recoil better than me so it will be fun once theyíre both ready.
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: .257 on June 25, 2020, 06:08:23 AM
Did your gunsmith thread the barrel and install the brake?
Sounds like you need a different one that cuts more recoil. Not saying anything against your gunsmith but they make brakes that can cut recoil to almost zero. That may help you at the bench
Title: Re: 300 weatherby vs 300 prc
Post by: Nealm66 on June 25, 2020, 07:42:26 AM
Ya, I hate to mess with it. The brake is one he designed for competitions that generally are smaller calibers. Itís freaky accurate with 180 factory ammo and itís punching a silver dollar hole at 200 now with the 208 Hornadyís so just need a stocking hat to eliminate the bruise lol.