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Title: New Coyote gun
Post by: James on January 06, 2008, 09:38:46 AM
I'm looking to buy a new gun for coyote, but what caliber .223, .243, .22-250, .257, who knows whats the best, I am sure nobody does, but some suggestions would be great!  This gun will be mainly used for coyote, rock chucks,  and maybe some thin skinned big game.  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: JB257460 on January 06, 2008, 01:18:01 PM
I posted this in response to another similar question but my answer stays the same  ;D ;D

A gun you may want to consider is the Accumark chambered in the .240 Weatherby.  It's highly accurate and is based on the standard size receiver which makes it a handy and most deadly combination for the game you mentioned.  The .240 Wby is often overlooked and doesn't get much play in the press but, if you asked me, the .240 Wby is a great cartridge with no peer in the "mostly varmint and small deer" category.  It's also one of the nicest looking cartridges.  That cartridge combined with the Accumark framework would be a most enviable outfit.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Wes on January 06, 2008, 04:14:39 PM
I could not agree with nencop more.  The 240 is an excellent choice!  Being that we carry them more than we shoot them take a look at the Mark V Ultra lightweight with the best optics you can afford (I am partial to Leupold).  I have one toped with a Leupold Ultralight 3-9x33 and it is alot more enjoyable to carry than the Accumark topped with a Leupold VXL 4.5-14x50 that I used carry.

Just another opinion,

Wes.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Toad270 on January 08, 2008, 10:02:54 AM
My personal coyote gun is a 243 winchester and I shoot 70gr nosler ballistic tips in it and this caliber does a number on yotes and cats from close to far and has taken pigs for the pot as well.  I would recommend a 243 caliber wether it being a 6mm, 243 win, or a 240wby.  Personally I would love to have a 240wby in the ultra lightweight for coyote hunting but the 243 was more economical for me and the amount of shooting that I do. 
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: A_Gamehog on January 08, 2008, 10:48:40 PM
Everyone missed the "Boat". A coyote is just as dead shot from a 223 as a 240. I shoot all year and daylight to dark thirty after Coyotes. If you shoot a lot, get a Weatherby .223 and don't think twice. You don't say if you re-load or get store bought? I reload for accuracy, and buy store bought when time won't allow for reloading. Consider store bought ammo remmimgton 45 gr hp at 6-8$ on sale for 20 rds. a good deal. Heck shoot Wolf for 4-5$ and 55gr shoots well to 2-300 yds easily. The factory Weatherby .223 barrel is 1-12 twist, as such 35-55  Grain Ammo shoots good when loaded correctly. Unless you are rich, this will suffice for all your small game needs with a reliable, accurate, inexpensive all-in-one-gun.
Recipe: 4198 Powder, 40Gr. Barnes Varmit Grenade, Lapua Brass, Federal 205M primers.
"The price of ammo should never keep you from Pulling your trigger!"

JMHO....
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: JB257460 on January 09, 2008, 08:22:58 AM
"The price of ammo should never keep you from Pulling your trigger!"

I totally agree!!  ;D

That's why I'll stick primarily to the Weatherby calibers.  If I were shoot PD's I'd go with the .223 also.  For me, coyote hunting is definitely not a high volume affair so I don't mind shooting them with my .257 Wby.  If I had a .240, I'd use that too  ;D
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Marcus on January 11, 2008, 01:26:49 PM
Three words......  2  0  4

Weatherby Vanguard Sub Moa chambered in .204 has been a reliable, accurate, and all around fun gun to shoot.  The .204 cartridge leaves the barrel at 4100 fps - I've killed over a dozen coyotes this past year, some shots over 400 yards and this gun put em down.  With the "bigger" cartridges, you can't watch your hits thru the scope like you can with a .204.  I've never had one get away.  If you can get your hands on the Vanguard .204 - shoot it - you won't be dissapointed.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Berne on January 11, 2008, 03:11:34 PM
why not a gun that is good for many animals, unless you have all kinds of guns and money!!!
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Marcus on January 14, 2008, 11:03:48 AM
The 204 is a great predator cartridge.  It shoots flat and hits hard.  The Vanguard Sub Moa is very accurate and consistent.  I've had mine for a year or so and taken many coyotes, badgers, prarie dogs, and squirrels.  After several thousand rounds, this gun still remains to be a tack driver. 

Nothing wrong with the other cartridges mentioned, just way too much noise, recoil, and not needed to effectively kill the animals originally asked about.   Whatever you decide, shoot a Weatherby.......
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: cody on January 14, 2008, 05:38:39 PM
In my opinion there is no wrong answer here.  It depends on your situation. If you are loaded yea the acumark in .240 wby is a great flat shooting gun that you could use on large game also.  If your check book is real tite you might look at a new england arms in a .223.  Mabey you're middle of the road, then you might look at any good bolt action in .22-250, .220swift, .223wssm, they are a little bit more than the .223 but you can get a little bit more distance with these.  Mabey you'll deside to do a lot more deer hunting with this new gun, then you might want to look at a .243, or even a .30-06.  With the .30-06 you can get bullets from 100gr to 165 or higher.  Me, my coyote gun is a cz 550 american in a .22-250.  I love it.  But this is just a prediter gun. 

Good luck and let us know what you got.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Berne on January 17, 2008, 01:38:59 PM
Oh yeah  , I will  go along with that
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: mikeydon on January 18, 2008, 10:00:54 AM
bud thats a question that's been ask around every camp fire that's ever been builded since time.i would have been a millionaire if i took a old man's advice 53 yr's ago.the absolute best calibur,the absolute best rifle is the one you feel most comfortable with and have the most confidence in,the one that you shoot best,no matter what rifle and or caliber.i have took deer over 200 yd's with a .223 dropped in their tracks and took some under 100 yd's with a 300 mag go figure.the one thing i have leard is don't go and buy a $1000.00 rifle and put a $ 25.00 scope on it.your scope is just as important as your rifle.well said more than i intend too.SHOOT OFTEN,SHOOT A LOT,BE SAFE,AND GOOD LUCK. ;) ;)
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Heath on January 18, 2008, 10:46:50 AM
Personally, I am fond of my Winchester Coyote in .243 Win. I shoot 55 gr. Winchester Ballistic Silver Tip. Out of the box I am getting under 3/4 in. groups at 100 yds. Not only does it roll Michigan coyotes, but I have also taken it to South Dakota where it exploded prairie dogs out to 400 yds. It is a long barrelled heavy gun but the performance is worth it. I know everyone has the best gun and caliber that everyone else needs. And I am sure that no one will change their whole way of life from this. I just wanted to write something and sound important. And I wanted to you one of these  :P.  I do love my Coyote though.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Berne on January 19, 2008, 03:36:50 PM
I also like the .243 but with 85 grain spitzer hand loaded
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Edward on January 19, 2008, 11:45:38 PM
I have two rifles that I use for varmits.  A Custom Husqvarna action 22-250 with a Zeiss 3-12 scope the other is a Vangard .223 S MOA with a Nikon  3-9 Scope and i replaced the stock with a Boyd custom stock.  When I was young, I was told that the best rifle was the one that you enjoyed to shoot.  I was told to buy the best rifle for the money you have.  Then buy the best scope to fit that rifle.  I was then told that each rifle has its own situation to be used in.  So I have these two.

The 22-250 will at 400 yrds eviscerate a squirrel and or spoil a Coyotes day completely.  It was made for the flat open ground,  The .223 will hit anything I want at 200 yrds, This gun was made for the hills and ravines.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Ken on January 20, 2008, 06:42:32 AM
I use a 224, 240 and 257 for Varmint and Coyotes.  I only shoot factory ammo as I don't have time to reload anymore. I have also found that Weatherby ammo is more accurate that I can hold anymore. :)  Next purchase will be one of those fancy AR-15 Varmint rifles in 223.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Berne on January 20, 2008, 10:42:07 AM
I like the .243 with my hand loads very fast and deadly
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Chad on August 25, 2008, 10:52:48 AM
Personally I shoot a Vangaurd in .22-250. It seems to work very well for me. My advise for what it's worth is any of the calibers you listed will work just fine, pick one you like shoot it a ton and you will be successful.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: SHANE on August 26, 2008, 06:24:03 AM
22/250 is best but thats just me,223,243 are all good 257 is a little much but will work.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: nthrn_maine_hunter on November 30, 2008, 04:21:32 PM
gonna add a vote to the first response and say 240.  Just got mine for the exact use you had inquired about and I love it.  I have a MK V Super Varmint Master in the 22-250 and it has done well for me, but it is just too heavy and bulky for me.  I knew i wanted a new varmint rifle I wanted a MK V Ultra Light Weight.  If they had had it in a 22-250 or 204 i most likely would have gone with one of them, but now that I have seen, held, and shot the 240, I am happy they didnt.  This thing is a tack driver, fun to shoot and easy to carry.  Plus it will be the wife's weapon for any of her big game outings.  Out of all my firearms, it is fefinately in the running for my favorite!
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: kfrog on November 30, 2008, 04:39:31 PM
204 ruger or a 240wby
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: John on November 30, 2008, 06:32:29 PM
My opinion, if you are shooting anything up to an including yotes, any of the calibers mentioned is fine. However, I'm not partial to anything smaller than .243win with 100gr bullets for deer. The .243 is very versital and economical to shoot in a number of bullet weights. 6mm Rem is a slightly better choice if you hand load, and 240wby is king of the hill in the 6mm line if you have the means to do so.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: 22-250Vanguard on December 24, 2008, 12:03:57 PM
The 243 Win is more than adequate for the type hunting you will use it for. The recoil is light and it will stop deer in their tracks. I have shot 13 coyotes this fall and have shot them out to 400 yards with a 22-250, and as close as 30yards with a 270wsm would make my choice based on what you are comfortable with.
Jake
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Salty on March 14, 2009, 07:11:04 AM
For a pure Coyote rifle as your stated purpose the 240 WM or 257 WM in ultra lightweight configuration is hard to beat - a 257 WM in the Vanguard would be a second consideration depending on your funds ( I would restock it ) - Nikon has a new Coyote scope ( http://www.opticsplanet.net/picture-1-nikon-coyote-special-riflescope-45-14x40-advantage-max-1-bdc-predator.html )out under $400 that would look nice on top of a rig. At some time you should consider investing an additional $150 for basic reloading equipment so you can reload the factory ammo after the first shot - or you can sell you brass and get about 40% of your money back. The Weatherby factory ammo is very very good and for $2 a pop a reasonable buy considering brass is over $1 of the cost. After all realistically how many rounds are you going to fire annually Coyote hunting. The 'ole time government hunters and trappers I knew swore by the 6 mm caliber for consistant predator hunting. 
 
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: SD on March 14, 2009, 07:16:14 PM
The .204 I use sometimes is a wonderful and flat shooter. However for coyote, the .240WBY is my main stay. I put one of my special brakes on it so I could watch the target after the shot. Alot of wamp with little recoil in this arena.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Travis Maphies on March 22, 2009, 02:17:21 PM
Thats a tough call i am not one that buys into the 1 gun for everything mindset that soo many people seem to i have my 257 for deer and antelope and i have a couple 220 swifts for 1 set up for gophers (zeroed @ 100 yards) and such and 1 setup for coyotes (set 2.5 inchs high @100 yards).I have been looking at the 240 alot lately i don't knw why but i have been using the excuse with the wife that my son thats on the way is gonna NEED it haha so we'll see what ever you pick should be whatever you want not what everyone else thinks you should have!!! good luck
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: sand dog on November 18, 2009, 11:12:05 AM
Man,
All good answers. Thats the great thing about predator hunting. You really can't go wrong. I think only you can answer your question by applying a few more variables to it. Is cost an option? Ammo options and do you reload? Are you shooting in the East Coast, Midwest, or West? Do you have any desire to save the pelts? Do you really shoot big game and want an incidental gun or are you trying to focus on the little critters? Do you sit or walk a few miles - a 26" heavy barreled gun may be accurate, but it sure gets old after mile three!) I think you get the idea. No man should have to settle for one gun, so look hard at a big game round and possibly a 22 centerfire. Get a Weatherby and enjoy it!
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Kurt on May 27, 2011, 10:27:01 AM
My personal coyote gun is a 243 winchester and I shoot 70gr nosler ballistic tips in it and this caliber does a number on yotes and cats from close to far and has taken pigs for the pot as well.  I would recommend a 243 caliber wether it being a 6mm, 243 win, or a 240wby.  Personally I would love to have a 240wby in the ultra lightweight for coyote hunting but the 243 was more economical for me and the amount of shooting that I do. 

I agree with Toad...
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: eodbud on May 27, 2011, 11:59:22 AM
6MM ;D
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: ONTIME on May 27, 2011, 01:56:25 PM
I have been shooting coyotes and varmints fo a number of years, my favorite is a 788 Remington 22-250,  20 power Tasco scope, I just recently bought a Vanguard in a 223 and had it scoped, I will be using it in July in the high desert by Yosimite and I usually take a 17 cal with a 9 power wide field for ground squirel but I have used it on coyotes in lesser distance.....years of good shooting with all thes rifles.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: zonie on May 27, 2011, 11:16:15 PM
Don't ever get rid of the 788 it's has a very loyal following and generally will out shoot most 700's.   My friends and I started using them in the early 70's for long range varmit shooting , butt ugly rifles, less than great triggers, magazines rattle,  but  they are flat accurate.   Mine is a 1969 in 243,  I still use it today, and  there is no way I would sell it.   I paid 200 bucks for it with 4 x 12 bushnell bdc and 2 extra mags, check out the prices now for really good condition rifles. 
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: purplefox66 on May 28, 2011, 01:27:59 AM
Ron here is one you might be interested in.
http://www.gunsinternational.com/Remington-788-22-250-New-Unfired-Condition-.cfm?gun_id=100168936
Derrill
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: huntinjt on June 03, 2011, 06:33:08 PM
I was going to tell you a 22-250 since you said rock chucks I take it you're out west. but when you said big game I have to say 25-06 in vanguard or a 257 weatherby
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Geurts340 on June 11, 2011, 04:52:49 AM
If Weatherby would make a Vanguard in 224 Weatherby magnum, the question of what caliber to use for coyotes would be solved.  Awesome cartridge and how cool would it be to have a belted magnum coyote rifle.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: mddewit on July 09, 2011, 12:46:31 PM
I use a 22-250 weatherby vanguard to hunt coyotes, and i love it.  Just recently started reloading my own ammo, and learned that the gun does not like every type of bullet you shoot through it.  I learned that ballistic tip boattails start rolling in the air before 100 yrds.  The bullet of choice in my rifle is a 55 grain soft point spitzer style.  Usually have less than 1'' groups at 100 yrds. I have had people tell me they have successfully taken deer with that caliber also, but have not myself since i live in Iowa.  I would be happy to give you any tips on this caliber if you get one.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: Hdiahe on June 04, 2018, 05:53:33 AM
04 is the only thing I would look at if fur friendly is in mind. Cheap shells probably a 223 but u will blow holes in them way more than a 204. I shot a 22-250 for years and it is great but I'm lucky to have a hide worth much with it. 204 shoots pretty flat to 400 yards....
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: danno50 on June 04, 2018, 06:43:55 AM
 Original post: "This gun will be mainly used for coyote, rock chucks,  and maybe some thin skinned big game."   I don't believe the 204 would qualify in the thin skinned big game category. Great round for saving fur though. Of the choices the OP gave, I'd go with the 257 Wby or 243 as they both come in loaded ammunition(reasonable prices)or could be hand loaded. Outside the OP's choices, I'd like the 240 Wby.(again reasonable ammo prices) BTW, Welcome to the Nation Sir.   
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: 224KING on June 06, 2018, 08:37:30 PM
240 Weatherby Magnum of course
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: .257 on June 07, 2018, 02:43:28 AM
Coyotes, Rock Chucks, Smaller big game.   .257
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: DW5 on June 08, 2018, 06:39:13 AM
I like this old topic getting a revisit. Welcome Hdiahe! While the .257Wby is probably my favorite round, ill Agree with King here. For the applications mentioned in the OP, Id probably be reaching for my .240 and most likely loaded with some 80grn TTSXs.
Title: Re: New Coyote gun
Post by: danno50 on June 22, 2018, 07:12:00 AM
I'm looking to buy a new gun for coyote, but what caliber .223, .243, .22-250, .257, who knows whats the best, I am sure nobody does, but some suggestions would be great!  This gun will be mainly used for coyote, rock chucks,  and maybe some thin skinned big game.  Thanks in advance.
Fast forward 10 years and the Vanguard First Lite is a winner. 26" barrel(with Accubrake), #2 contour with fluted barrel, fusion camo pattern for the stock, and Cerakote barrel finish, in 240, or 257 Wby.

The 240 Wby mag would be my choice.