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Title: 40 S&W ?
Post by: ballistic on July 13, 2012, 08:59:23 AM
Guys I dont know alot about handgun calibers, curious about the 40 S&W. How is it for messing around with, target shooting, recoil, for home defense ? Im considering a 9mm but looked at a 40 S&W today. As far as home defense it would be more potent than a 9mm, just want to hear what you guys think about this caliber.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: dubyam on July 13, 2012, 09:57:11 AM
I bought a Glock 23 in 40S&W back in 1992.  Terrific handgun, terrific chambering.  I've shot everything from 155gr to 180gr in mine, handloads and factory.  So far, all I can say is, it's the best carry/personal defense package I could imagine.  The Glock won't win any awards for beauty, but it is the right tool for the job and it works the same no matter what.

If I were thinking 9mm or 40S&W, with personal defense in mind, I'd go 40 every time.  Recoil is not much more, and if you handload can be tamed easily, with safe, published loads.  Ultimately get the handgun that fits your hand, and choose chambering based on what options you have at that point, in that frame size, that make sense.  At least, that's how I'd do it.  Usually the 40 and the 9 are available in the same frame/format, so if it fits, you're all set.  And, if you check around, you might (depending on the gun) be able to swap back and forth with just a new slide and barrel (though that will cost nearly what a new pistol will, in some circumstances).
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: ballistic on July 13, 2012, 10:27:02 AM
HMMM.. Dubyam your helping me make up my mind, I'm liking the sounds of the 40. I have my mind made up on make and model, a Sig P226. It feels great to me, looks sweet, and I like the trigger.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: bustinbirds on July 13, 2012, 10:37:18 AM
Troy, I'm not really a handgun guy either, but I have shot the 40 S&W and it's more than manageable. Unless it was strictly a target/competition gun, I wouldn't get the 9mm. The 40 does have a little more snap to it, but as far as recoil and blast go, it's not intimidating at all and still packs that extra thump. I think the 40 SW is the most widely used cartridge in law enforcement??? and that's a testament unto itself. What guns are you looking at? For the 40, I'd look at the Glock as Duby mentioned, the Springfield XD/XDm, and the Ruger SR40. Obviously there are other good options out there, but that's my short list. Like I said, I'm not really a handgun guy, but if I was in the market for a 40 S&W that's what I'd look at.
Just about to post this and saw you are going for the SIG, nice.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: badsection on July 13, 2012, 11:20:44 AM
I`m a .40 S&W fan also! Mine is a H&K.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: FallujahVet on July 13, 2012, 11:26:35 AM
The .40 S&W is a great handgun round!  It was designed by S&W for use by the FBI as an intermediate round between the 9mm and .45ACP.  The story I heard was that female agents had trouble controlling large frame handguns that used the .45ACP.  The only drawback in a .40 S&W compared to a 9mm that I can think of is the price of ammo, and possibly magazine capacity.  However most handguns chambered in 9mm that have a 15rd capacity have a 13rd capacity in the .40 S&W version, so you don't really lose that much.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: ballistic on July 13, 2012, 12:58:36 PM
Guys the 40 S&W is sounding pretty good.

Isaac, I have my mind made up on the Sig Sauer P226, love that gun, feels great. Ive been wanting a P226 for awile now, wasnt sure what caliber to get it in though, believe it will be the 40 S&W.
I dont know if I'll get into reloading for it or not, time will tell, see how much I shoot it. Whats a good plinking round for it, and a good defense round ?
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: lamric on July 13, 2012, 12:58:59 PM
The 40 is a great round derived from a shortened 10 mm cartridge.  The recoil is definitely sharper than that of a 45 but still very manageable.  For home defense, it's very good though you'd be giving up a couple rounds of capacity to a 9 mm.  If you want slightly cheaper ammo, go with a 9 mm.

Overall the 40 is a good compromise between the ammo capacity of a 9 and the punch of a 45.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: southtxkiller on July 13, 2012, 02:03:23 PM
I have a sig p229 in 357 sig,have had it for 15 years and I hope I have it for another 15,basically a smaller carry version of the p226,alloy frame and stainless slide,fits perfect for concealed carry,and you have 357 magnum performance in an automatic pistol,the 357 sig is a 40 s&w necked down to accept a 9mm bulllet,it packs a wallop,most of the state troopers i know here in tx carry a law enforcement version of the p226 in 357 sig,they say its not pretty when they have to use it,recoil imo is right with the 40,same case,smaller bullet,one other plus is a bottleneck cartridge,no feed jam,least for me,not that i can remember,good luck,you will never regret buy the sig sauer !
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: ballistic on July 13, 2012, 02:41:46 PM
Southtx, that .357sig looks pretty cool also, Im liking it  ;D
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: dubyam on July 13, 2012, 02:44:32 PM
If you like the 357Sig, just buy the .40 (unless you can get a better price on a 357 somebody has in stock) and buy an aftermarket barrel in the other chambering.  That's all you need to swap out from one to the other.  Same slide, magazine, just swap the barrel.  Easy.  And not expensive.  Right up until you start buying ammo for the 357.  You'll want to save your brass and start handloading it.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: badsection on July 13, 2012, 03:01:15 PM
Check the available ammo on any web site. I see that as a good reason for 40 S&W.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: ballistic on July 13, 2012, 03:05:48 PM
I checked out prices on the 357sig ammo, WOW you aint kidding, its spendy. Would definitely have to reload for one of these.

What equipment does it take for reloading handgun cartridges ? Will my rifle presses work ?
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: dubyam on July 13, 2012, 03:44:14 PM
As long as you don't want to crank out a ton of volume, you can load with your current equipment - you'll just need a set of dies.  I'd go ahead and get both chamberings if you're doing the switch-barrel thing, too.

Loading handgun is different than rifle, but not by much.  I loaded 38Spl, 357Mag, and 40S&W on my RCBS Reloader Special-5 for a couple of years before I really got into rifle shooting.  Main difference is, you want to be aware that deep seating pistol bullets eats up case volume quickly, and can have a dramatic effect on pressure.  Always pay attention to the listed COL and keep your brass trimmed - especially in straight-walled cases where the case headspaces on the case mouth (like the 40S&W).  Beyond that, use a good manual (or three) and start low and work up.  No problem.

When I was really in the swing of loading for handgun, using a manual powder measure (Hornady powder measure, in fact) I could crank out between 110-135rds per hour, depending on the powder I was using.  Ball powders are easier, as they meter better through the measure, and you can just set it to be about half a grain below max (or at your desired charge if it's not close to max) and charge like lightning.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: Chris338378 on July 13, 2012, 06:19:58 PM
Troy, I am a police officer since 1998 and during my career I have become a firearms instructor and have been trained in death investigations including homicide.  My point of view is different than others mentioned and based on my training and experiences.  When I started out in my career I carried a Beretta 92FS in 9mm, back then I had to supply my own gun and chose this because of the reliability and magazine capacity.  As the years progressed I carried a Beretta 96D and Beretta Brigadier both of which were chambered in .40 S&W and now I carry a .45 GAP.  At times I carry a 10mm Colt Delta Elite off duty.

First the idea of stopping power is a lot of crap in my professional opinion.  In the real world when people are shot they are not knocked off their feet, have huge gaping wounds, or die instantly.  The reason I say this is back in the late 80s the FBI was involved in a shoot out in Florida with two bank robbers which several agents were hurt and killed.  Back then most of the agents involved were carrying either 9mm, 38 Specials, or 357 Magnums.  The shoot out was extremely violent (which is expected) and went on for over five minutes, lots of rounds were exchanged during this time.  When they autoposies were done on the bad guys it was determined that the one guy took approximately a dozen (I don't remember the exact number at this time) rounds that were classified as fatal hits.  This sounds unbelievable, and it did to me at the time when I was sitting in the class, until you find out the rest of the story.  Both of these individuals were hopped up on drugs, some of which were Cocaine and Barbitiuates.  These drugs both have a significant affect on the human body seperately and it only increases with the combination of the two along with the other drugs they had in their systems.  In light of the investigation that followed the FBI recognized several areas of concern, one of which was the guns and ammunition they carried.  Out of this the FBI adopted the 10mm but as time went on some agents had trouble shooting and handling this round.  Then Smith and Wesson in conjunction with Winchester developed the .40 S&W, which in very basic terms is the short version of the 10mm.  Once this happened there was a major wave of law enforcement agencies that went with and continue to carry the .40 S&W because it's more managable and easier to get ammuntion opposed to the 10mm.  Sig decided to make the .357 Sig, which as stated earlier is a .40 S&W necked down to 9mm to increase velocity.  It's a good round but really explensive to shoot and hard to find ammuniton opposed to the 9mm and .40S&W.  Lately Glock came up with the .45 GAP which is intended to have the same ballistics as the .45 Auto in a gun that has the frame size of the 9mm and less recoil.  Currently the Pennsylvania, New York, and several other state police agencies adopted the .45 GAP.  One other advantage the .45 GAP has over the .40 S&W is there is noticibily less recoil than the .40 S&W because it generates far less chamber pressure.

All that being said, my first piece of advice is get QUALITY AMMUNITION.  There is a lot of stuff out there that claims to be the super bullet and will never fail.  I have to say in all the ballistic tests I've seen all bullets will fail at some point.  My first choice in ammunition is the Winchester XST series and second would be the Winchester PDX series.  A little secret about the XSTs is it's the politically correct version of the black tallons, pretty much the same bullet minus the black coating. 

The second thing I will say is make sure what ever gun you pick if comfortable in your hand you can shoot accurately, and practice with it a lot.  Three in the morning isn't the time to figure out you can't remember where the safety is nor is it the time to realize you should've been shooting more.  In this situation lives are on the line, your's, your family's, the responding police officers, and even your neighbors'.  Now I'm sure you're thinking what the hell does he mean my neighbors' lives are on the line.  Let me explain, think of how a home is constructed, there are studs in the walls followed by gaps.  Exterior walls are made the same way and there are boards, siding, bricks, or other boards on those walls.  Stastically the odds of hitting a stud are relatively slim which allows the bullet, more than likely, to hit a gap and less material to penetrate to exit your home and potentially hit and even enter your neighbors' homes.  Can it happen sure it can, heck people hit the multimillion dollar lotteries. No matter how remote the chances it is a factor that needs to be considered.  Worse than that and much more likely is a shot misses it's target and penetrates an interior wall and exits the other side.  What's on the other side of that wall, your fireplace, big screen tv, a dresser, or your wife, son, or daughter?  I don't know but it's something you need to be thinking about because that bullet that enters and exits an interior wall has the ability to kill or seriously injure.

As for your question of which is better the 9mm or the .40 S&W that's a tough one.  In favor of the 9mm is higher magazine capactity, cheaper practice ammunition, ammunition is easy to find, and less recoil.  In favor of the .40 S&W you have more energy and heavier bullets, which penetrate deeper than lighter one.  Ammuniton for the .40 S&W is easy to find also but you have more recoil which is more of a hard snap compared to the 9mm's or even the .45 GAP's push.  Ballistics are neet to look at but the real world is where the metal meets the road.  People wear clothes, which can be a tough barrier for a bullet to penetrate especially when it comes to heavy material and winter clothes.  Also people take drugs which have a profound affect on the human body.  We can debate this for the next ten years and be right were we are now, for each pro there's a con for each.  In my professional opinion between the 9mm and .40 S&W I'd pick the .40 S&W.  If I had my choice of any caliber in a handgun for self defense I'd probably go with either  10mm, .45 Auto, or .45 GAP.  The .45 GAP ammo is tough to get at some places and expensive but when it comes to the price of a box of bullets or the price of my loved one's lives and mine price doesn't matter.  As for home defense my number one choice would be a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with number 4 shot.  It's very devistating at close range and if a pellet misses the intended target there is far less potential for it having leathal abilities, generally speaking, if it penetrates and exits a wall.

I know that I've been really long winded but hope this infomation helps you out.  I can't get into what I've seen at work but trust me when I say you'd be amazed what bullets will and won't do.  If you want to know something specific or want to know more feel free to ask.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: trisurvivor on July 13, 2012, 06:45:24 PM
Skip the 9mm.  They are fine for target practice, but like Chris said they don't stop anything.  A lot of Chris's points I would agree with.  Find one that fits your hand first, not caliber.  I am a huge HK fan.  I have a 9mm usp, HK P30L in 40s&w, and a HK 45.  I also run a Hornady LNL Progressive press as I shoot a lot.  Hk 45 is my home defense gun.  8 rounds with serious knockdown power.  P30L is a long slide target version.  The 40 is definitely more snappy than a 9 and 45.  45 comes straight back, 40 snaps up at the 2 o'clock position.  P30 also has interchangeable back straps and side panels, both in 3 different sizes so you can mix and match.

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Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: fuonlynu on July 13, 2012, 07:01:11 PM
I had a 40 S&W  but I never pulled the trigger!.... I sold it... ;)   just wanted to type something... ;D
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: terminator on July 13, 2012, 07:12:13 PM
TroyThe 40 is a tweener in my  opinion  and several cop friends.It is hot right now but who knows in a year or two.High capacity and easy to shoot get a  9.Stopping power a 45 acp.357 Sig was hot for awhile and is a bad ass round if you look at its ballistics.Take your pick.12 ga semi by my bed for the heavy lifting.Pistols are easy and fast to load for with the carbide dies.I would suggest the Lee 3 die set with the powder thru bell sizer for convenience.You have to buy the powder thrower but well worth it to me.Truck pistol  is a 7 shot 357 Mag.Semis in other calibers are for fun.NAA 22 mag mini revlover for CCP because it is small enough I ways carry it.Sigs are Sweet and feel good in my hand.
Jim:The best thing to do with a 40. ;D





Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: 257 Shooter on July 13, 2012, 07:46:09 PM
The 40 S&W is a good defense round. Don't let others disparage the 9mm either. The 9 has stopped many fights.

 My working gun is a Glock 21. I'm just a 45 guy. The 357 SIG is very good but as mentioned, ammo is a little bit of an issue. I have a Glock 20 too. Good 10 mm ammo outperforms all the aforementioned but it's more limited like the 357.

Stopping a threat is like big game hunting; shot placement. No handgun is a perfect choice but a shot in the face from any of those mentioned works pretty well. The most important thing about a self defense handgun is to have it with you. It then must be totally reliable and you must know how to use it and when to use it..

You won't go wrong with the 40. It is a bit of a compromise round but it is very good. I don't like to give much personal info on web sites, but please trust I know what I'm talking about. I have 30 years experience in these matters.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: johnp034 on July 13, 2012, 07:52:18 PM
The Sig is the best choice, either the .40 or the .357 Sig.  Both are awesome rounds.  If you really want something bad ass, go with the 10MM.  It is the horse!  The Sig P229 first and then the P226.  Both are great handguns.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: 25 CAL on July 13, 2012, 08:09:40 PM
My go to carry gun is a model 23 glock in a 40 cal, IMO the 40cal is a great choice, don't over look the M&P pistols.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: Marshal_ on July 13, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
If you haven't picked your gun out yet, check this out:

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/handgun-stopping-power (http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/handgun-stopping-power)

The more research I do, the more it seems to me that "stopping power" in a hand gun is a pipe dream unless you carry something out of the ordinary like a .460 Rowland, .500 S&W/.50 AE or .454 Casuli. The only thing speed effects up til about 2200 fps seems to be penetration. There's something to be said for that, but there's a lot more to be said for wound channel because all the common self defense rounds have enough penetration to hit the important things. Bigger hole = faster bleed out, and barring a heart/head shot that's what you're relying on.

Then there's the study I just linked. Much as I hate to admit it (because it hurts like hell to say that 9mm is even close to my beloved .45...), this guy's gotten his numbers from real world shootings. Specifically military and police engagements over the course of a decade.It seems that for all intents and purposes the difference between the common self defense hand gun rounds: 9mm, .38, .40 and .45 are more or less negligible. That's of course provided you're not shooting at a target wearing some form of protective garment, and usually you won't be.

At this point, I'm starting to think that regardless of what caliber weapon you choose your handgun is just the weapon you use until you get to your rifle/shotgun. Skip over anything below .38/9mm, pick a weapon that feels like it belongs in your hand, practice until it feels like it's an extension of your body, and you'll be set.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: zonie on July 14, 2012, 12:26:48 AM
Troy,   Chris is spot on good post by the way.   I'm a big fan of the 10mm and 45acp.  You can always re-spring most guns in either caliber and download if you choose, but you can never get a 9mm or 40 to the same killing factor of a 10 or 45   regardless how much powder you try and stuff in a 9 or 40.  Something to keep that in mind,   If you want a bad ass caliber get a 9x25 Dillon barrel and get a colt or glock and keep a spare 10mm barrel for fun.  Think of a 9x25 Dillon which pre-dates the 357 Sig as a Sig on major steriods.   A 115 @ 1800 fps at over 800 ft lbs energy.  Even the 10mm with it's larger heavier bullets if you load hot you can push  just shy of 800 fp lbs.  You can buy high capacity  double stacks in all of them if you want.     

I'd  buy a good reputable gun that feels the best in your hand.    Glocks are ok,  S&W M&P are nice,  I have a couple 45's and for carry I like a std Springfield XD in 45acp & high cap mags.   I keep a high cap smith 9mm in the truck and it's fun to shoot,   my favorite is a Colt delta 10mm or a series 70 colt 45acp.   If you plan on hitting anything at longer ranges you might want to add a set of adjustable sights,  saves you on regulating ammo and drifting or getting an expensive rear sight tool and messing with sights.  Some of these  fixed rear sights on these guns are freakin in there and a sight tool is a must on some of them.

A lot of it depends on what you are planing on doing with the gun,  concealed carry,  in a strong side holster,  plinking & home defense,   possibly a nice little black bear self protection gun, and occasional deer & coyote,  etc.    All of these are super easy to load to keep costs down.   One thing I would look for if you are planing on pushing the envelope on loads is get a fully supported barrel,  these will handle the +P loads without bulging cases.  When you do start re-loading them get a Lee final size die and it's nice to have a case gauge, although if you pull the barrel and drop every reloaded round in it does the same thing. 
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: zonie on July 14, 2012, 01:11:13 AM
I kind of screwed up on that one a little,   I meant to say you can buy a high cap double stack gun in all these calibers.    I don't always like a double stack I have smaller hands and prefer usually a single stack except for some of the polymer guns.    Don't over look a 38 super in a colt or colt clone a little more powerful than a 9mm.   

If you read the FBI reports on the Miami shootout in 86 that's the reason the FBI originally went to the 10mm then later to the 40.   They were shooting into vehicles and the guns they were using weren't getting the job done.   There was a Strasborg test done, and I've read the complete report where incapacitation was the prime modivation to take the fight out of the bad guy.  Some people say this was a hoax test.  I'm not so sure it was pretty well written and conclusive.  I think the main reason some people say it was a hoax was the bad press the FBI would have gotten if the public was fully aware of them using live goats in testing.  The 10mm was the winner by the way followed closely by a 357 mag and 45acp.   

If you think about it the military would have never went to the 9mm if Nato didn't shove it down our throats after we shoved the 308 & 5.56 down theirs..   Not with standing  women in the military now.   A lot of of spec ops are using 45's as are some PD's and swat teams.  The guy's are using them for a reason. 
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: ballistic on July 14, 2012, 06:39:42 AM
Thanks guys, alot of good info, now I have more to go on when deciding. I have thought about a defense shotgun in the past. It would be great for home defense, which would hopefully never be used for that, other than that I cant ever really seeing my self doing anything with one. I do really like the idea of minimal to no external damage with a shotgun.
The 357sig looks like something I'd really like, but to expensive to shoot, and not sure that I want to get into reloading for a handgun. The 9 looks practical for having fun with, could be effective, but I wouldnt feel confident with it. The 40 S&W seems like a pretty good all around choice for defense and plinking. It may not be the baddest boy on the block but its better than nothing. Put it like this, Id like a handgun mostly for target shooting, enough to get a good feel for and get confident with so I have something if need be. Yet I dont know if I'll shoot enough that I want to reload for it, maybe I will, time will tell. I like to spend my time on my passion which is my rifles and hunting. I like to spend alot of time perfecting precision rifle ammo so dont want something taking away from that in time and money.
I dont know that I would get into carrying a handgun, once again time will tell, but its a good point and something to consider. I plan on getting a Sig Sauer P226, it feels so natural in my hand and looks great to. Im also keeping the wife in consideration with this. She doesnt know it but shes getting a Sig Mosquito ( pink ) for Christmas, ha ha... should make a good plinker for her.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: zonie on July 14, 2012, 10:47:16 AM
 Troy,  It's what feels best for you,   if the gun doesn't feel right in your hand that's not a good thing.   Sigs are wonderful pistols and the 226 is a proven model, pretty much can't go wrong.  You can always put adjustable sights on later if the ammo you will be using doesn't  shoot  close to point  of aim.    You can always buy other pistols when and if you get into them. 

Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: ballistic on July 14, 2012, 11:06:57 AM
Ron Ive felt some of the other pistols and theres been something on each I dont like. I like the looks of the Springfield, but dont like the rear safety thing, not comfortable to me. Shot one in a 9mm here about a month back, just didnt do it for me. I'll have to look into the adjustable sights, do Sigs come with adjustable sights as an option ?
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: telemaster on July 14, 2012, 12:00:24 PM
I consider the 40 S&W the minium for personal defense and believe the 9 MM is overated and like zonie said the only reason the military uses it is because of NATO.
also chris is right on.
check out the FNP40,shot one at the range a few years ago then went and traded in a glock 23 for one and havn't regreted it,it is my carry gun in a inside the pants holster.for me the weight balance etc is excellent(near perfect). comes with 3 grip sizes and with the middle size for me it is a point and squeeze weapon.
I load 180 grn. hornandy XTP for it and for the range I load 180 grn.oregon trail hard cast lead.shoot 100 rds of the lead whenever I go to the range(at least bi-weekly)then always finish with at least 1 magazine of the hornandy's.
another note is 10 yrs or so ago when the military did extensive testing wanting to replace the beretta the FNP 40 and FNP 45 came out on top.don't know what happened but was told some bean counter decided to stick with the cheaper beretta and that NATO raised hell about 9mm.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: gary d on July 14, 2012, 04:28:52 PM
recently I was in the same boat deciding which cal to get my .226 in, a .40S&W or the 9mm.  Living in Canada self defense isn't an option  >:( ??? ::) so that wasn't really a point for consideration for me. In the end I went with the 9mm, mostly because I already load for the 9 and was needing another gun fast.  Also because being the NATO round, that is what I get issued when work calls for it.  But possibly the biggest advantage for the 9mm in the Sig 226 is that the German made ones are all 9mm.  The German produced guns purportedly had unsurpassed  independent quality control where it has been under recent scrutiny as being lacking in the current US production pieces. 

Comparing the two rounds, I have seen a number ballistics tests and guess what just like hunting, the choice in ammunition is more important than choice in caliber.  9mm is less expensive to shoot and to load and you can put in lots of practice for less $$, and have a mag of premium defense ammo on hand that you keep for that purpose. 
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: badsection on July 14, 2012, 04:37:08 PM
Practice with your chosen self defense round,too! I see my first defense as my German Shepherd! That makes me rethink what gun I`d use for fear of hitting the dog! Louisville slugger comes to mind!
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: Chris338378 on July 14, 2012, 05:52:05 PM
I think you're on the right track with the Sig.  If the gun feels good and you're confident in it that is a major step because you'll shoot and handle it far more than a gun you don't like.  One other thing that I can't over state is practice, practice, practice, and practice more.  When it comes to self defense your family's lives and your life is on the line.  This is worlds away from the range and hunting, if you have to resort to this gun someone obviously doesn't give a damn about you or your loved ones.  Also you need to know how that gun works without question or thought.  One drill I tell my students to do is, FIRST MAKE SURE THE GUN IS UNLOADED, CHECK IT, CHECK IT, and CHECK IT AGAIN, and while watching tv hold the gun and dry fire it.  This will get you use to the trigger pull, it doesn't cost anything and will save you money in the long run.  You don't need the gun to go bang to get the feel of the trigger.  Another thing you can do, again MAKE SURE THE GUN IS UNLOADED, is put a target on the wall and practice aiming and dry firing the gun at the target.  This will get you use to the sights and trigger pull while aiming.  The best part is it doesn't cost a penny to do this, well other than the target and a thumbtack.  I have seen good results with students that have done this.  Some thought it was crazy but in the end when they were on the range we would see their scores go up.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: Jim on July 14, 2012, 06:11:49 PM
Another 40 S&W fan here. Mine is a SA XD40.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: chambers bd on March 26, 2016, 03:19:12 PM
Hi Folks,
 I have a glock 22  with a stainless steel match grade barrel from lone wolf, it's about a inch longer cause it is made for a model 35. If you study the tables for the glock it out performed a .45 acp by means of ft/ PS and energy. After over twenty years in the US army as a rifle and pistol marksmanship instructor. I really shot well, the .45 acp was a big slow heavy bullet. Made for the Moro wars, philippine tribe of warriors that laughed at .38 spl and proved the .45  very well,  it was a force to be reckoned with. The .40 has close to 9 mm speed and more energy
 It's a hotter round than the .45. Having shot many pistols over time, I for one will pick a .40 s&w.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: danno50 on May 02, 2016, 07:18:38 AM
A friend of mine just recently bought a Sig P226 TACOPS described as follows:
The SIG SAUER® P226® Tactical Operations is a full-sized 9mm, .40S&W and .357SIG, featuring a stainless steel slide with rugged, wear-resistant Nitron® finish, front cocking serrations and SIGLITE® rear night sight, a TRUGLO® Tritium Fiber Optic front sight and features the Short Reset Trigger or SRT. SIG engineers designed the SRT to provide you the same great safety and smooth action of the SIG DA/SA with a comfortable reset that is 60% shorter for faster trigger return and surgical control during high speed shooting. The beavertail frame is black hard anodized light weight alloy with integral Picatinny rail and polymer Magwell grips. The pistol comes with four (4) 20 round super capacity magazines so it’s ready to see action. The SIG SAUER P226 tactical Operations pistol is backed by SIG SAUER with a Limited Lifetime Warranty.
If I could afford one, thats what I would get. The last time I shot a semi-auto was a 40 S&W about 3 years back. It was a Springfield XD with a match grade barrel and I thought that was a nice pistol and the recoil wasn't bad at all. But this Sig 9mm was a dream to shoot. Right out of the box at 15 yds from a sand bag rest, my groups stayed about 1 and 1/2 inches(minus a flyer here and there, my fault) and I was surprised since I'd not shot in a while. We shot 115 and 124 gr FMJ and never had a hiccup, slow or rapid fire. As long as you kept the rear sight level and centered in the front sight, I'm thinking theres a lot of guys that could shoot it a lot better than me, if I could do it.(I'm basically an old school revolver guy, 357) There have been huge strides made in defensive ammo for the 9mm and a lot of this ammo stays together, expands, and penetrates about 13 to 14 inches. Believe me todays ammo is nowhere near the the ammo that got a bad rap 10 or 15 years ago for being lame. I would not feel under gunned and would not want to be on the receiving end of a 9mm. I guess you'd have to shoot it yourself to for the experience, and i know that not all Sig models feel the same or respond the same to everyone, but this one was the easiest and most comfortable pistol I've ever shot. I'm not putting the Kibosh on any other brands or models, cause I know that there are a lot of great shooting pistols out there. This was just a great experience for me.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: PARA45 on May 02, 2016, 09:35:59 AM
Danno, I have to agree with you, Sig pistols are great defensive weapons and they shoot great.  They are not cheap by any means, but you have a quality pistol when you get one.  I have a 226 in 9mm & a 229 in 40S&W & 357 Sig (it has interchangeable barrels). Once you get used to their trigger pull, the rest is easy.  I carry them and I can conceal them very easily.  They are heavier than Glocks, but with a good holsters/belt I carry any of these two pistols all day long.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: danno50 on May 02, 2016, 11:09:38 AM
Oscar, the new trigger system is what made it so sweet, what they call the "Short Reset Trigger" or SRT is what is new on this TACOPS pistol..QUOTE,  "SIG engineers designed the SRT to provide you the same great safety and smooth action of the SIG DA/SA with a comfortable reset that is 60% shorter for faster trigger return and surgical control during high speed shooting. I felt like the reset also gave me a little more time to aim during slow fire drill.(if that makes sense) Of the 21 P226 models available on the website, only 5 models come with the SRT. 
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: PARA45 on May 02, 2016, 01:57:34 PM
Got it.  My two Sigs are about 8-9 years old, and they have the long double action trigger.  I'm sure that short trigger is sweet.  When I shot 1911s in competition, I had a huge learning curve to learn how to shoot Glocks & Sigs, but I got used to them it was like second nature. :)
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: danno50 on May 08, 2016, 08:43:27 AM
Shot that Sig Tacops 9mm again yesterday and it looks like I'm going to have to start saving for my own Tacops along with the MK V I'm saving for.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: terminator on May 08, 2016, 09:27:17 AM
Sounds like the bug has bitten you Dan. ;D Always fun to get a new toy.I will have to check one out.I really like the idea of the trigger.
Title: Re: 40 S&W ?
Post by: danno50 on May 08, 2016, 09:37:04 AM
Yeah Roger, Guess I got bit by the SIG Bug and I don't usually take the carrot after the first bite.