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Title: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: Perrine11 on January 04, 2013, 05:56:17 PM
So I'm fairly new to hunting but want to purchase a rifle, I hunt mostly white tail an mule deer in WA state. My theory is that I would purchase a smaller caliber rifle, and later on a larger caliber rifle if I start getting into elk an bear hunting. I've heard the weatherby vanguard s2 is a great bang for your buck rifle and am kinda set on it but torn between the .257 wby mag or .270 win?? Then down the road look at getting a .337. Is this a good idea or would looking into something in the middle be a better bet?? Any advice appreciated!
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: mike cardinal on January 04, 2013, 06:34:46 PM
If you are sure you will be hunting deer until such time as you can get another rifle I would suggest the .257 as the best bet. It is lazer flat and more than a match for any deer bar none.
If you think you may have occasion to hunt elk as well I would move up to the .270. It is more than you need for deer but not really over kill and it is a great caliber for elk, moose or black bear.
That said, bare in mind the win. ammo is probably cheaper if you don't reload and I assume you don't. If you are a shooting fanatic like many of us here it can be costly to shoot the B. If you are a "sight it in and go shoot a deer once a year", kind of guy I highly recommend the high test Wby. It's great. I love mine.

I don't have the S2 but I hear it's an awsome gun at a very good price.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: Chris on January 05, 2013, 06:50:53 AM
I have a S2 in .257 wby mag. It has a lot of bang but very little recoil. You can buy 100 gr. Spitzers that are Weatherby brand for $35-$40 and there are a few other companies that make ammo in .257 wby mag. If you can handle a. 300 wby mag there are several companies that make ammo. I personally have not bought anything other than Weatherby ammo. Mine loves the 80 grain ttsx, 87 grain SP's and shoots really good with the 100 grain Spitzers. I have a box of 110 grain accubonds and and a box of 115 grain Ballistic Tips but I have not shot them yet. The accubonds, tsx,ttsx and partitions are pretty expensive but if are not shooting a lot that shouldn't matter to much. I use mine for crows and coyotes and just in case I ever get to hunt outside of Indiana(wink,wink,hint,hint fellow members:))
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: Chris on January 05, 2013, 06:53:21 AM
Plus I wanted a .257 for a real long time. Sometime wants override needs ;D
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: Truck Driver on January 05, 2013, 07:47:18 AM
Fairly new to hunting? I would suggest getting a rifle in a caliber that you can shoot a lot and not to expensive to shoot . You also want one big enough to get the job done.
I saw S2 MOAs at Bass Pro Shop for $499 yesterday. In the right caliber this would make a good starter.
Now for the right caliber. All guns are expensive to shoot it depends on how deep your pockets are.
If your recoil shy leave the big Mags alone. If not try a 300 Win mag, not hard on the pockets or shoulder, it will also kill what ever you may run into. I helped a 12 year old 120lb boy get his first Buck on a youth hunt with this caliber and it was on a light weight synthetic stock.
If you go to a sporting goods store and look on the self at the selection on available bullets for reloading or loaded ammo you won't find a bigger selection than .30 caliber.
i own 257 roberts, 308,30-06 and 300wby, which one have I shot the most of? The 30-06, were I live and hunt it will do eveything I ask of it and if I need more the 300wby will get it done.
I hope this helps I didn't mean to get lenghty with this.
TD
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: Chip on January 05, 2013, 09:24:52 AM
Get yourself a nice bolt action that you like in 270 win and never look back.  Will handle all the deer and elk you will ever run into. The 257 just doesnt have enough bullet for elk as far as I'm concerned.  Plus if your new and not into handloading it won't break the bank shooting it.  Happy shopping!
Chip
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: eford on January 05, 2013, 10:39:52 AM
The 257 Wby Mag is fun, it can do the job on most animals, and the 270 Win is a chambering that is easy to get ammo for.

Have you thought of a 280 Remington? It'll do everything a 270 Win can do, and even handle the heavy bullets (160-175gn).  The 280 doesn't have the ammo availability that a 270 has, but if you're willing to reload you'll love it. I just sold my 270 Win this week, because I have a 280.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: Perrine11 on January 05, 2013, 10:40:34 AM
yeah thats what i was thinking also, i dont hand load so thats why i leaned torward the .270 at first although knowing me im going to want a bigger caliber rifle in the near future (a designated elk gun) so thats why i was thinking i could get the best of both worlds, a smaller really fast caliber and a bigger bad boy that would do elk or anything else. Know if the .257 would be alright to take bear?
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: Trigger2506 on January 05, 2013, 11:27:34 AM
I am an advocate of smaller bullets, high velocities, low recoil, and accuracy. I LOVE the 25-06, and have killed moose, and bison with it. The 243 Win is very capable too. It's all about accuracy, and bullet placement. Get a gun that you are comfortable shooting with, and shoot it often. That builds confidence, and familiarity. The Tikka T3 Lite, is an amazing rifle, for the dollar. I have owned two, with incredible success.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: Eric on January 05, 2013, 11:34:13 AM
Id get the 257 and get a bigger gun later. (its what I did in a similar situation, and I shot some bears and my first elk with the 257). You will wish you had if you don't. It will work fine on bears, and it will kill an elk too with the right bullets. If and when you decide your into elk hunting, you can get the same S2 in 300 Weatherby and have the perfect combo.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: telemaster on January 05, 2013, 01:57:15 PM
what part of Wa. do you hunt? I hunt the columbia river in the Bridgeport area. I use a 257 Roberts Ackley IMP, my wife uses a 260 remington and i have my .308 for backup. there are 6 more in our core group and in that group there is a .243 win. 1- 270 win. 1- 7mm-08, 1-30-06 and 2- 308 win. and we have taken a lot of mule deer there thru the years.almost all were 1 shot kills. most of them150 yds and under but some long shots also.
if by chance I don't get a deer over there when I get back to this peninsula rain forest jungle I use my old Marlin in 32 win spec with open sights.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: Perrine11 on January 05, 2013, 04:08:49 PM
Yeah trigger that's kinda how I think too! Thanks for the comment ill def check that round out, an smart minds must think alike ha but telemaster thats kinda where I hunt too, we usually set up in Brewster an if not than we will come back home an hunt some farm fields in snohomish county, I thought the peninsula is supposed to be real good hunting? Thanks again everyone!!!
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: telemaster on January 05, 2013, 04:40:35 PM
Yeah trigger that's kinda how I think too! Thanks for the comment ill def check that round out, an smart minds must think alike ha but telemaster thats kinda where I hunt too, we usually set up in Brewster an if not than we will come back home an hunt some farm fields in snohomish county, I thought the peninsula is supposed to be real good hunting? Thanks again everyone!!!
we usualy set up at bridgeport state park
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: BigBronz215 on January 06, 2013, 12:15:11 PM
i say you get a .270 mag you can kill bears, elk, and deer. in my opinion i thinks its the best rifle caliber for medium and some big game in north America.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: thorntwins on January 06, 2013, 12:50:35 PM
It really depends on whether you have a need for long range (300+) shooting.  The benefits of the 257 vs the 270 are when you are facing 300, 400, 500 yd shots.  Not from killing power, but purely from trajectory.  The 257 is significantly flatter at the long ranges and could make the difference in a hit or miss when your range estimation is off.  Even with a laser rangefinder, getting exact yardages on game is tricky and I like to have as much margin for error as possible.

All of the various calibers mentioned will kill deer sized game more than adequately, the trick is hitting them where you should.  If you don't take long range shots it would be hard to argue with a standard 270.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: mike cardinal on January 06, 2013, 04:36:37 PM
I shot him with the .257 younger cousin. The 25-06. If it can kill this it can kill a bear.
If you really want a bigger gun later get the .257. If you may be a one gun hunter get the
.270
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Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: sportster on January 29, 2013, 02:12:08 PM
Like you when i dicided to buy a new gun two years ago i was torn to what brand and caliber to buy.so i started to research.I read gun mags talked to gun shop dealers and spent hours on the computer.One gun shop dealer i talked to up here in Vancouver pulled three different gun brands off the rack all in the same caliber, and when i asked why that particular caliber he said .They have been shooting squirrels to grizzly bears with caliber for decades it never let you down.I read a survey in a hunting mag where they ask outfitters across Canada if they could only have one caliber rifle what would it be? Out of the thirty that responded i was quite surprized at the choice.I read many reviews on the computer
, and one vary well knowen gun expert discribed this caiber as the most capable and universal caliber on the planet, and with todays modern ammo its even better. I sat in on hunting seminar at the vancouver hunting show,the guy doing the talk was a moose hunting expert ,and he said this caliber has been and will always be his go to caliber.Wondering what it is? Its the 30-06! Like i said i spent many hours on the computer reading rifle reviews. and the gun i bought i didn't find one negative review on this rifle! I bought a Weatherby Vanguard S2 synthetic stainless steel bead blasted finish in 30-06. Just got it ,and I'm having a Votex Viper HS 2.5x10-44 put on it. Do the research , listen too the good people on the Nation. And let us all know what you ended up buying. By the way i hunt white tail, mule deer, Elk, moose, and maybe bear up here in Canada.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: rogerinalberta on April 30, 2013, 01:15:46 PM
first rifles:
1. the first one is usually free or best offer
2. the next has to look 'cool'
3. the next has to perform better than the 'cool' one
4. the next will have specific design characteristics
5. the next will cost more than the first four all together
6. number five will be someone else's new number one, and if all goes well..its starts over
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: lamric on April 30, 2013, 01:51:36 PM
Since you don't reload I'd recommend the 270 over the 257 Wby simply because ammo is more abundant and affordable.  If you're willing to consider a 3rd caliber I'd throw the 30-06 into the mix too, it's versatile and easy to sell if you decide to upgrade to something else at a later date.   
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: eford on April 30, 2013, 02:22:36 PM
first rifles:
1. the first one is usually free or best offer
2. the next has to look 'cool'
3. the next has to perform better than the 'cool' one
4. the next will have specific design characteristics
5. the next will cost more than the first four all together
6. number five will be someone else's new number one, and if all goes well..its starts over


Roger gets a Grand Champion ribbon for stating it the way it is.  A sarcastic-minded person might think that the list is simply stating the obvious. A hunter sees the list and thinks "Yup, that's pretty much the way it goes."
Well done, Roger.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: rogerinalberta on April 30, 2013, 08:29:56 PM
thanks for the nod eford!
btw the list also works with girls........... especially line #5 and 6 after a divorce
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: terminator on April 30, 2013, 08:38:36 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: leadchucker on April 30, 2013, 08:49:16 PM
lol, how true! well I've got a couple 270's and a 257wby and the 270's just seem to sit there anymore. that's from coyotes to deer to bear. love that caliber. got the rum for elk and moose. I pick 257wby. start reloading.. :)
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: james7mmwby on April 30, 2013, 09:13:02 PM
If your not hand loading I recommend a 7mm remington mag.  Weatherby Vanguard, Tika, Ruger,  Winchester Mod 70 all are excellent rifles available for most budgets.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: ballistic on May 01, 2013, 06:20:27 PM
I +1 James  ;D
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: wyominghunter on May 01, 2013, 08:49:21 PM
I think either caliber would be fine for the game you speak of.  Both would have about the same level of recoil and having lived in Washington state as well, I think either would be fine for the shot distances you'll likely encounter.  I like the .257 Weatherby and it is a great caliber, but I guess if I had to select between the two, I would go with the .270 Winchester.  I just think it is a more versatile caliber and there is a wider variety of ammunition available.  If I were going to chase a bear and had my choice between the two calibers, I would select a good 150 grain bullet out of a .270 Winchester. 
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: dubyam on June 09, 2013, 10:57:04 AM
If you're just looking for a rifle to deer hunt, and occasionally elk or bear hunt (which it sounds like you are) and you don't handload, I'll throw my weight behind the 270Win as a great first rifle.  It is versatile enough to hunt any of the game you'd hunt in WA - even elk - though it's not ideal for elk.  It's also cheap enough to shoot that you can spend a lot of time with the rifle, and become very proficient with it.  There's a lot of merit in being able to put a bullet right where you want it, under pressure.  Being proficient through practice is the only way to achieve that.  Well, you could hope to get lucky, but if you're not a multiple lotto winner, I'd steer clear of hope as a strategy.

As for what rifle to get, I'd head for some local gunshops and handle and shoulder several rifles.  The one that comes up to your shoulder most naturally is the one for you.  I love my 'bees, but I tell folks all the time, get the one that fits.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: DNP257 on June 10, 2013, 09:43:53 AM
back in the 70's when we were hunting mule deer in AZ, more open area ridge to ridge etc. most all had 30 cal. rifles(30-06 and 308 and 30-30). the guy's I hunted with pretty good and I would rate them better than myself, we jump a few deer 200+ yards out some of them took a few shots, I was not up at the point where I could see them, the deer went another ridge or two over by the time I was up there to see them, they had stopped taking shots at them, and where talking. I look the ridge over with the scope on my old 257 Wby saw horns and put cross hairs just over the shoulders some and shot, the oldest hunter in the party said, you dropped that deer, it was the flat shooting of the 257 Wby and 120gr bullet, that shot was 400+ yards away, that's what they are good for
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: zonie on June 10, 2013, 11:30:00 AM
I have to  throw my hat in for the 270 with 130's for deer and 150's for elk,   it's a little more versatile than a 257 and ammo cost &  availability leans heavily toward the 270.  Since I handload I honestly don't have an issue with with either caliber.  DNP is right is sure flat shooting and I also  hunt the ridges and cross canyon in AZ.   Flip a coin you can't go wrong with either. 
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: Huntnmachine on June 10, 2013, 01:57:45 PM
thanks for the nod eford!
btw the list also works with girls........... especially line #5 and 6 after a divorce

Friggin hilarious!!


Terry
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: Huntnmachine on June 10, 2013, 02:04:03 PM
Agree with zonie,
I have a .257 and .270 and ballistic wise they are basically twins but I do like the heavier bullet option of the .270 and of course the .270 gets the nod when it comes to ammo cost


Terry
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: ccc23454 on June 10, 2013, 03:20:19 PM
Everyone else here is wrong, just buy a 30-06!      Just joking but I believe it to be the rifle every big game hunter should own if they are limited to 1 rifle hunting multiple places and game. Its not the sexiest but stuff just falls dead in front of it and its cheap and easy to shot. My2
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: montana4me on June 10, 2013, 03:45:27 PM
I've shot Elk & Bear & Moose with a .257 Wby & A .270 along with many other calibers. DEAD IS DEAD and they all ended up in my freezer. The .270 would be a lot cheaper to buy ammo for if you don't reload. I got it now... BUY BOTH!!!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: Chris338378 on June 10, 2013, 05:59:27 PM
Both the .257 Weatherby Magnum and the .270 Winchester have mild recoil and will do their job on deer but as said before the .270 Winchester has heavier bullets and they cost less.  You could always get a .270 Weatherby Magnum and have the best of both, the heavier .270 bullets and similar speed and energy of the .257 Weatherby.  As for a heavier caliber I would suggest going with a .300 Weatherby since it doesn't have as heavy recoil as the .340 Weatherby does.  No I don't know what experience you have in shooting but it's better to work up to heavier calibers so you can learn to the basics without getting pounded which will result in you shooting more and having fun. 
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: zonie on June 11, 2013, 01:03:35 AM
I think on average at least today,  guy's get magnum mania, there are definately times when really big calibers are needed , but for the most part if you can't kill it with a plain jane 30-06 it just aint dying.  Unless you are going after the great bears or african big mean animals do we really need these super magnums for most hunting , I don't think so. Not that magnums are a bad thing I have them,  but I also don't shoot or hunt with them as much as lesser calibers even on elk.  If I were hunting griz yea then I'd feel definately more comfortable with a much lager caliber,  but deer and ocassional elk the 270 and 257 are fine.  Just got to hit them right with good bullets.   The only advantage I see with the big flat shooting magnums  and this is from experience is really off angle shots and overly extended ranges on elk and up sized animals,  if you hit one wrong regardless of caliber it's not a good day, and usually requires follow up shots.   Been there done that a few times.     
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: Truck Driver on June 11, 2013, 04:29:18 AM
Has the OP ever decided what he was going todo? he hasn't posted since 1/05/13.
Just currious if he bought a gun or was just spaming us.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: ccc23454 on June 11, 2013, 07:33:01 AM
reguardless i think we were do for our semi annual 1 gun arguement...lol     good luck to him
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: badsection on June 11, 2013, 07:41:27 AM
ONE GUN? Wow, I`m in trouble! ;D  One gun, either 30-06 or 270 Win are adequate for most anything.   :)
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: Truck Driver on June 11, 2013, 09:23:39 AM
Better bullet selection in .30 cal.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: dubyam on June 11, 2013, 08:22:24 PM
Tastes great!!!!!
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: badsection on June 13, 2013, 11:54:22 AM
Less Filling!   ;D
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: FryeBaby on June 13, 2013, 12:25:28 PM
30.06 sounds prettier and wears the wood better. LOL.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: WeatherbyFan 65 on August 14, 2013, 10:26:39 AM
So I'm fairly new to hunting but want to purchase a rifle, I hunt mostly white tail an mule deer in WA state. My theory is that I would purchase a smaller caliber rifle, and later on a larger caliber rifle if I start getting into elk an bear hunting. I've heard the weatherby vanguard s2 is a great bang for your buck rifle and am kinda set on it but torn between the .257 wby mag or .270 win?? Then down the road look at getting a .337. Is this a good idea or would looking into something in the middle be a better bet?? Any advice appreciated!

I have several Wby cartridges,240,270,7mm,300,30-378, but not the 257wby, it's my next one !

Either the 257 or the 270 will kill things dead if you do your part,in the end ammo for the 270 will be slightly cheaper and more readily available then the 257wby, that's what the main difference will be.

I'm a big fan of Weatherby Cartridges,fast,flat and good down range energy,but with all the quality/premium bullet offering in all calibers now a days it's hard to go wrong with either of the calibers you mention.
Even going with a 30-06 and using 165gr premium bullets I have taken Elk,Moose,Mule Deer all with out issue,good quality bullets and shot placement is key !

Stick to using Nosler Partitions or Barnes TSX or TTSX bullets and all will be good.

I would be more concerned with putting quality mounts such as Talley Lightweights and buying a quality scope such as a Leupold VX3 3.5-10x40,
here's a picture of my Vanguard S2 240wby
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j466/WeatherbyFan65/240wbyS2003_zpsd6469f77.jpg) (http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/WeatherbyFan65/media/240wbyS2003_zpsd6469f77.jpg.html)
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j466/WeatherbyFan65/240wbyS2001_zps583585fc.jpg) (http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/WeatherbyFan65/media/240wbyS2001_zps583585fc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: jhesson913 on August 14, 2013, 02:32:16 PM
I have shot deer with many different calibers. They all were just as dead as any others with the right shot. I have a 338 Ultra Mag for the big stuff, and numerous smaller calibers. I am going out west for Mule deer in Wyoming later this year and after soul searching I admitted I always wanted Roy's favorite caliber. I used this trip as an excuse and saved up and traded up to a brand new Accumark in 257 WBM. Its AWESOME!  Dead is Dead, but there is something to be said about you when you have a Weatherby on your shoulder!  Good Luck.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: terminator on August 14, 2013, 04:00:30 PM
Jimbo:Congrats on getting the 257 Wby and good luck on your hunt.Dont forget to post some picts of your kill.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: Chris338378 on August 14, 2013, 05:20:46 PM
One caliber?  Holy Christmas Trees say it'll never come to that.  This is a real tough question for me since I like so many different calibers and rifles.  At this point I can only say if I had to have just one, oh how I pray that'll never be, it would be either my beloved .338-378 Weatherby Magnum Accumark or a .416 Weatherby in a Mark V Deluxe.  Either of them will cover anything I hunt.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: ballistic on August 14, 2013, 07:11:58 PM
That .240 looks like a nice setup. The front mount looks like the ring is in the center of the mount ? If it is that would be good.
Title: Re: Torn for my first rifle???
Post by: rotbaron on August 16, 2013, 05:15:56 AM
I am biased toward the .270 Win. Great round, flat shooting and the power to take anything in the U.S.Another advantage is the ammo can be found when the shelves are bare and practice ammo can be found for less than $1 per round. For hunting I prefer Nosler but it's not cheap in any caliber. I have a Mod 70 Win in .264 Win Mag that I love but I'm hard pressed to find anything under $3 per round. Thus I reload. In the end the only person that needs to be happy with it is you.