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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Best hunting bullet(s)
« on: September 19, 2018, 11:29:16 PM »
The one you have in your gun    ;D,    I don't have one particular favorite per say.  In general terms the most accurate in that specific gun so long as the bullet doesn't  totally come apart when hunting elk size animals.   Deer I can get away with pretty much any cup and core bullets so long as their accurate.  If I were hard pressed to pick one bullet brand ( and I'm not )  it would probably be Swift Scirocco or A-Frames.   

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Nice !  that 6.5 creedmoor is an awesome cartridge. 

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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Here's A Good One
« on: September 16, 2018, 03:09:47 PM »
That's pretty good

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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: 7mm
« on: September 16, 2018, 08:55:12 AM »
Carskinner is absolutely correct !!!   Accuracy is king,  just for argument sake any of the 7 mm mags are fully capable of taking an elk at 1K and whether it's less capable than the big 30's is debatable.  There are people out there that can make these shots now whether it's ethical or not is up to that person.  Too many things can go wrong at those distances and all bad for the animal.  What does Trump say Fake News  don't believe every thing you hear and see on TV or anywhere else for that matter imo.  Tongue and cheek here   my suggestion take that 7mag and step it off at 1000 yds and all ranges in between,   start shooting and when a person can hit a 9 " pie plate 100 percent of that time under all conditions,  wind, weather, angles, etc  then they might be ready to attempt  hunting these really long ranges,  barring the animal doesn't decide to move the instant the shot is touched off, and how often is that going to happen 100 percent of the time for the time of flight for the bullet to impact,  like never  ?  These  people are taking a chance at these ranges.  Normally we as a family use 270 win's and 30-06 on elk out to about 400 yds or so and they all work.   A comparison could be made  the 308 would be just as good as either cartridge and they would be right and here's why.  Accuracy aside and how well a person shoots, we don't know how  fast a persons rifle shoots regardless of caliber mentioned,  we don't know the bullets  BC's ,   we don't know the bullets construction, etc.   I have 270 Winchesters & 06's  that shoot way slower than other like calibers we own with the same load data, and to be honest I don't see any difference in performance out to reasonable hunting ranges on elk AS LONG AS YOU HIT IT RIGHT.  you hit it wrong it doesn't matter how big the magnum is ,  it's all bad at that point.

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pretty cool ,   love those old boxes

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Thanks it's actually stunning country how beautiful parts of it can be.  We do have pretty decent optics, Zeiss, Steiner, Minox and Kowa,  along with Leica and Vortex randefinders.   I will be using a 300 wby with Vortex 6.5x20 and my wife will be using a vanguard 6.5 creed moor with Nikon scope.  I actually might use the 6.5 creed moor as well.   One issue in keeping with game & fish recommendations is the use of lead free bullets in the Condor area hunt units.    G & F sent out a free voucher for one box each for lead free ammo or lead free bullets which my wife's 6.5 bullets came in yesterday.   Loaded them up last night for us to test later this week, The reason up in Kaibab and the Strip is a Condor release area and they don't want the Condor's eating lead filled  gut piles,  it's not mandatory as of yet and in the past G & F has given us lead free ammo when drawn and hunting the Kaibab so why not.   I went ahead and bought an extra 5 boxes of Barnes 6.5,  127 gr LRX ammo just to be on the safe side for her rifle.   Most of this stuff where we will be hunting is sage brush and some is pretty tall so glassing is the order of the day. 

CptnAwesome,  you are right we could run into some really long shots,  my wife is a little worried  about muffing a shot and I can't blame her.  There are some other areas on both the south and the east side which have way more vegetation,  just depends on where the deer are I guess.   I've got her shooting 5 " groups  @ 600 yds with the creed moor.   she has one of those Caldwell field pods which holds the rifle front and back while sitting, pretty steady actually , but whether she can see over the sage brush while sitting  with the field pod or not is another story.   The good part is our son is going up with us to help spot deer,  I can't see them worth a darn unless they are moving whereas both of them have great eyes. 

I'm glad we took the quads up , one particular road we wanted to get on was not passible by our vehicle washed out in multiple places, the quads , side by side's,  and really really high clearance 4x4's would no doubt make it thru as long as it didn't rain when you got in there then you might have a problem getting out.   next year we may up grade to a side by side, but I'm having second thoughts as to being out there alone with no cell phone coverage and broke down and stuck ( getting older ) at least with 2 or more quads and I've broke down out there and had to be towed back to camp more than once  by my wife or friends and their quads, and it's no fun. 

I'm kind of a map freak ,  I don't think you can have enough hunting maps, and unfortunately none of them are perfect,  I picked up a couple new maps,  Rugged maps are cloth maps very tuff ,  the Nat Geo maps are probably the most accurate unless you get very current Forest service maps,  BLM maps are pretty good also and not too expensive.  Yes I use GPS topo maps, but I still like breaking out a piece of paper and looking it over. 

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Northern Arizona Deer .  I have the early hunt and my wife has the late rut hunt.   Our area is a transition area where the deer move north off the Kaibab in winter,  and south off the Paunsaugunt in Utah meeting in the winter grounds on the border.  We scouted over Labor day for 4 days and saw no deer at all,  and that was to be expected we really weren't to serious about actually seeing deer but rather looking for water, terrain, honey hole's, roads, access, etc.    Lots of sage brush to the north and really deep canyons to the south and west. 

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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Speer bullets
« on: September 04, 2018, 02:55:50 PM »
Used Speer hot cores and boat tails for years in the 270's, 30 cals, & 243.    Norma shot that Wyoming antelope with a little speer 85 grain boat tail  when we were up there,  blew right thru.  Use to use  a 270 cal 130 gr boat tail as my accuracy  test benchmark standard and deer bullets  these were older bullets,  current 30 cal boat tails are OK, but not my accuracy benchmark.    Hot core's have always worked for us.  The 130 gr 270 and 85 gr 243 boat tails in our rifles shoot one ragged hole groups. 

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I'm kind of an equal opportunity scope user.  I've had a few Leupolds thru the years most are older scopes , all VXII or Vari-XIII.    Had a problem with a VXII and I sold it back to the friend I bought it from, all the rest are still working as to be expected. 

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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Burris MTAC 6.5-20x50?
« on: August 15, 2018, 05:22:59 PM »
sportsmans warehouse currently has Vortex Viper 6.5x20x44mm on sale for online and in stores for $269.99  .  what availability at the local stores and how long the sale lasts before they run out  would be my question.   I have had 3 of these scopes and sold one a couple years ago which I wish I had of kept.  Vortex has really came onto it's own the last few years and their company has made an impact on other optics companies to up their game on warranties without catches.  Some Nikons products have went to this type of warranty and apparently others have also,   and it's about time.    Basically Vortex is kickin butt,  I just bought my son a Vortex ranger rangefinder and to be honest not only was the product decent, but you can't beat the warranty. 

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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Burris MTAC 6.5-20x50?
« on: August 13, 2018, 04:29:43 PM »
For 300 bucks it's worth a look at.  I don't have any experience with that particular Burris model ,  from what I gather it's discontinued which isn't a bad thing when product prices fall to make room for new models.  I don't know what you intend to do with the scope, but for someone getting into long range and doesn't want to spend a ton of money it might be an ok scope.   Just some reading it has some pluses and minuses as compared to other scopes in the cost range.   I would be more worried about warranty than anything else,  if you know what I mean.  I don't want to throw away 300 bucks and find out oh shxtsy   I"m not covered. 

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Stuff I forgot,  my folks pressure cooked and canned / smoked a whole lot of food,  fish, meats , veggies, fruits, they also used home made dehydrators , etc.   When we butcher elk any more and this goes for deer also ,  the front quarters almost always goes to grind,  some of the other tough parts of the animal also goes in the grind pile.  Back straps, most of the rear qtr's , tenderloins, get cut into steaks then we vacuum sealed,   end pieces and the neck gets made into roasts and stew meat.  Here's my point I have all 3 of my moms old pressure cookers and I don't trust myself to use them so I bought a new electronic pressure cooker and what a difference it makes tenderizing on lousy cuts of meat.    We really don't eat as many steaks any more ,  both of us getting older and we enjoy more hamburger dishes.  I told my wife next elk we get I'm going to have it all ground up in hamburger and she said I don't think so, anyway that new pressure cooker can make an old  jack rabbit  taste pretty good with enough spices  ;D

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Back when we were kids our folks had basically unlimited access to a meat locker behind our house on the res in Oregon.   This is what my dad did at the time he would field dress/gut on the ground, get it in the truck, then back in camp  get the deer hanging by it's rear legs on a home made gimble usually a stick and a rope,  cut it's throat to let it bleed out more ,  skin it, wrap deer bags around the deer to keep the flys out and if it was pretty warm out he would take it too the meat locker and hang it and then come back to camp with the rest of the hunting party.  He didn't have the taxidermist do any mounts except bear , they were kids of the depression and food was more important than other things.  he would usually let them sit in there for about a week then mom and him would butcher.  Now this was in central Oregon before we moved to Arizona and I think the mule deer in Oregon tasted better than the mule deer in AZ and this I firmly believe has to do with what the deer eats,  just like a cow these old scraggly range cows we have where we live now just don't taste the same as a well fed mtn cow that eats healthy mtn grasses.   I still think if you let something hang in a locker for a week or so before butchering it does taste better, now if  it were a lousy piece of meat to begin with I don't think a meat locker is going to make any difference in taste.  I'm a little different since I've had too many bad experiences with our local so called wild game meat processors we as a family pretty much butcher ourselves with the exception of grinding hamburger which I have  guy who grinds and sleeve in 1 lb sleeves with 10 percent pork fat,  both deer and elk.  It's just so much easier on us especially if we 3 or 4 elk to grind,  he does so much better job than I can with his commercial equipment.  Arizona can be quite hot during hunting season , but it can freeze also,  we  don't cut the throats to bleed out and almost always skin on the ground mainly because we have a system down skinning whether it's the gutless method or skin and roll.  A lot of places it's too rugged to drag out in large pieces so we  bone them out where they lay then pack out.  In any case we have multiple large ice chests and get the meat cooled down as soon as possible,  we don't hang anything in a meat locker because we don't have access to one without paying, and I don't trust these local meat processors anyway.  If I had my own meat locker yes I would hang it for a week or so,  it doesn't hurt anything, and we can butcher at our leisure instead of a mad rush to get the animals cut up when we get home.   If this was 20/30 years ago and knowing what I know now I'd probably buy a small used meat locker and Hobart commercial grinder and do every thing my self, back then we ate a whole lot more red meat than we do today.   Whether hanging for a week or so  makes the meat taste any better is debatable just my opinion good well fed meat taste better than old rutting bull elk & deer or well fed mtn grass fed animals vs old desert range animals.  There is one exception and that's Coues deer vs mule deer those little white tails are just better tasting than either our mtn or desert mule deer.  Normally anymore I don't buy commercial game bags although I do keep a few elk sized bags in the hunting trailer, but rather I will go down to the thrift store and buy a few king sized sheets and duck tape around the deer/elk legs and neck  and close any openings.  Warm weather kills the meat got to get it cooled down and keep it cool.

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Great shooting   !

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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Win M70 300Win
« on: August 04, 2018, 07:59:46 AM »
That came out pretty nice !

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