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Nice elk and nice area,  use to like hunting  Merriams turkeys in those areas until NM raised their over the counter prices.  That was a hop skip and jump from one of our old properties  been there a few times when I had to gps the NM/AZ border to make sure which side we were on.   Nice elk hunting some of western NM units ,  have friends with ranches over there.  A few Javelina got up and close, always see elk,   seen  mearns quail,  black bear,   Mexican Gray wolves howling at night,   a few muley's.  Unless something has changed  I don't think you can pick up sheds in NM  they belong to the state if memory serves me,  AZ you can with exceptions big horn being one ,  the reservations you normally cannot each reservation is different.   Elk shed prices are 14-16 bucks a pound for browns this last year,  chalk sheds were a couple bucks a pound.  You can make couple grand just picking up sheds or  a whole lot more if you know where to go.  A lot of people over in my area shed hunt to pay for their winter heating bill or make some extra jingle,  and they keep their shed hunting areas a secret for the most part.  You start dragging 5 or 6 bigger sheds might want to invest in a pack frame.

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Border Buck
« on: February 15, 2018, 05:51:16 PM »
Nice deer,   they do cross breed a friend of a friend took a monster in southern Arizona near Wilcox.  whitetail rack with muley everything else.  I love hunting the desert border regions in southern AZ  basically the same stuff as in southern NM.   Definately muley's on the Mexican  border usually a little lower elevations,  while the coues white tail deer reside in the higher evevations  ( Madrean sky islands  type areas in Arizona, New Mexico and Northern Mexico )  These southern border deer especially muleys can go thru some pretty drastic color phases, browns to gray's,  it's definitely not uncommon.  One thing that sometimes stands out with desert muleys is the thickness of the antlers.   Yes border patrol is everywhere and that's a good thing.  There is some big mule deer in the desert.

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Brain cramp
« on: February 15, 2018, 10:56:42 AM »
It's a good reminder to wear safety glasses,  I'm terrible on that one and I know better.  Things happen at least it didn't do anymore damage. 

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: New Mexico Oryx
« on: February 15, 2018, 10:48:52 AM »
Very nice !    That's surely a wonderful hunt.  If your brother wants another cool hunt  tell him to look into Ibex hunting the Florida mountains  south of Deming New Mexico.   Rough country doesn't even come close to how hard this hunt can be. 

Since we live and hunt in the trophy rocky mtn elk area in the world,  eastern Arizona off the White Mtn/Fort Apache and San Carlos Apache reservations along the New Mexico Border.  No bragging anyone that's knows trophy elk hunting knows where I'm talking about.    This is what all my friends their families and my family do is live to elk hunt,  that's our passion.  No guides we do it our selves, we are set-up and geared for it from our grandfathers.   You have to have confidence in the rifle and the ability to make the shot otherwise muffing a shot you got several day's of pain ahead of you and your friends dragging one out of a deep canyon.   It doesn't matter what the gun is as long as the caliber / bullet combo  is good enough to get the job done where you are hunting.  2 years ago one of my friends young son's shot a nice 360 bull with a 243 short range @ a little over 7000 ft elk just dropped.   It's not a caliber I would personally recommend as a rule,  but on the other hand more than a few friends son's and daughters grew up using 243's on pretty much everything.  If you are in fairly decent shape and you are hiking in semi rough higher elevations  probably most rifle weight under 10 pounds total weight scope, sling, rings/bases, ammo is normal.  The older you get and even rougher country where sliding down canyons /  mtns is the norm then every extra pound of any weight you are carrying is a pain.  One place I know  that holds some big bulls you got a pretty deep  narrow canyon with a river at the bottom pretty much vertical you shoot a trophy bull across that canyon you may not have an elk by the time you get there,  as predators has got him before you do.  Moral to the story is there's a time to shoot and a time not to shoot as much as you might want to.  Such as I did one year and dropped a nice elk 800 ft  drop in elevation  as per topo maps 7 people and 2000 ft of 3/16 th's cable  all day to get him out , that was really stupid on my part because all the other guy's could have been hunting instead of helping me get that elk out.   My personal rifle I put together specifically for higher elevations in rough country is a Kimber Montana 84M in 308 with Leupold  ultralightweight 3x9, weight of the rifle with sling, 5 rounds ammo in the rifle, rings/bases, scope is right at 6 pounds even.  This rifle has plenty enough power even at 400 yds plus easily.  If I were to do it again I would give a hard thought with the same set up except in 280 Ackley improved which is a factory offering from Kimber, but slightly heavier.  Weatherby back countries we have a couple  or lightweights are very nice set-up's.   My wife uses either her Ruger pre-warning model 77 in 270 win or 6.5 creedmoor.  My son uses a Rem 721 in 270 win. youngest daughter uses a first year rem 700 carbine  20 " barrel in 30-06  kicks like hell even with a new recoil pad I had to replace the original as it returned to the rubber tree really a nice little mtn rifle.   Son in laws use Rugers and Rems in 30-06 and 7mm rem mag,  I use a pre-64 win model 70 in 270 win for most elk hunting, sometimes a 300 wby or 6.5 sweede, or 6.5 creedmoor,  sometimes a 257 wby,  none of them weight more than 10 pounds fully loaded.  Taken elk with a 300 savage 99 lightweight great rifle with little recoil and it will pop an elk at couple hundred yds no problem as long as you hit it right.  You can hit a cow elk with a 338 wiz-bang hit it wrong  and runs in a canyon, and  now have a world of problems I guarantee you won't do again, not intentionally anyway.    2 years ago my son shot a nice 6 by unit 27 AZ can be very rough in areas.  1 mile back in 8000 + ft  hiked back in  near the top of a ridge using Remington 721 in 270 win , little Nikon buckmaster 3x9 scope, under 200 yds shot,  my mom's old elk rifle I gave him years ago with the exception of changing out the old weaver k4 scope,  Nosler 150 partition, dead bull.   Problem was we had to get the elk off the ridge which meant going downhill and then back up a canyon to where we parked the truck.  Too rough for horses,  two day's later with 4 people and my wife breaking an ankle on the last trip out ,( and she at the time was in really good shape jogging 5 miles a day down at the hatchery),  I can't keep up with her,   we got the elk out in pieces.  My wife's ankle still not right even after surgery and she probably not going to pack anything out again.  My point is unless you do this stuff all the time mtn hunting can be as hard as it gets, with that in mind choose your equipment wisely according to your physical capabilities.  Personally if you are only going to do this one time and you have a pretty decent rifle I probably wouldn't go buy a new one unless you just want one,  which ain't a bad thing either.   

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: 7 mm on 300 weatherby
« on: February 12, 2018, 08:39:39 AM »
It's cool to have some of these oddball calibers & wildcats.   The 7mm x 300 wby would probably be one of the more useful if a person wanted to go that way, but again like it was said there is already cartridges out there 7mm stw & 7mm ultra.  I would rather see how accurate I can make it and If needed sacrifice a few fps.   Think about it another way usually more expensive dies,  one off calibers dies in the hundreds of dollars let alone the chamber cutters, more headaches, may not be as accurate, may only gain a slight fps over existing calibers, may gain substantial fps  over anything out there and still run into problems with bullets.  Powders and bullets not adequate for extreme wildcats that won't reach their potential.  Some friends have made 25 x 300 ultra mags in 30" barrels oh yea they will make mid 4000 fps with 100 grainers, but at a cost i.e.  no suitable powders available for this over bore wildcat & lack of suitable bullets.   Yes powders can be made & blended in huge lots for a price.   I do agree if it's something that someone has wanted then by all means go for it.   Bragging rights if you will, and so what if it burns a barrel out in 500 rounds at least you know about it going into it.   

Imo they bit off more than they could chew, why it happened is any ones guess.  Winchester had their hard time as did Colt and a few others,  I don't see this as a death nill for Remington but rather a wakeup call for reorganizing and getting back to the basics of good quality. 

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Dan Weatherby
« on: February 07, 2018, 04:05:22 PM »
Badsection he used it as a pry bar,  I couldn't stop him in time.  He was older and probably as recovered as you can be from a stroke 4 years earlier,   we were trying to help him and his wife  elk hunting.  It was all good

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Dan Weatherby
« on: February 07, 2018, 09:20:09 AM »
I think the blade length is just about right.  I guess it depends on where you are at and what you hunt, and HOW YOU SKIN or rather if you skin the old fashion method,  cape for mounting , or do the gutless method.   We are pretty much elk hunters with a deer every now and then.  One of the reasons I went to folding pocket knives I carry on my person.  The big knives for making steaks & butchering or boneing out I leave in the pac along with a good steel & stones and small meat saw.  One type of knife for  field dressing , skinning and caping.   Gut hooks are a waste of time imo yea I have them and also don't use them passing fad  for me I guess.   Several of my friends are taxidermist locally they all use a 2 " Victorinox swiss classic shaping knife # 6.7503.  They buy them by the gross and skin & cape everything from quail to black bear to elk.  I carry one in the pac they are for skinning & capeing only.   Whatever knife steel you use it has to be tuff,  fairly hard so it doesn't dull easily or  roll the edge and has to be easily sharpened in the field.  I have a little s30v steel blade  and it seems ok so far ,  I do have a d2  steel capeing blade and it's too brittle and a neighbor broke the point off wasn't real happy with him. 

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Mesquite stock
« on: February 07, 2018, 08:59:26 AM »
Very nice

Nice pictures, some nice deer in northern NM.   The older I get the less I hunt.  I won't hunt near home and I always been that way.  My wife really only has 1 more animal on her bucket list and she will most likely give up hunting.   I'm not too far behind I think.   I'll still go with hunting partners and still shoot, still go scouting,  or may take up bird hunting, and definitely keep game fishing in Mexico until I lose my sea legs. 

That will work,  Nice !

It's wonderful to see a company or group of people standing for others in need,  good work to all. 

I use to agree with you not any more,  I still have friends in G & F  but not wardens.   Some of them are little pricks over here.   Every one of my friends  I kid you not has stories they could tell you and these are law abiding citizens including myself.    I won't say all of them are bad , but there are a few bad apples on the tree,  and even G & F regional office  has told me personally ,  are you sure you want to  talk to that warden basically saying he's need  personal skills.   I called him up and totally understood what the regional was talking about, what a jerk.  That's just one little story and I could go on.  A little common sense goes a long way,  a little courtesy goes a long way , and being professional knowing the law goes a long way.  I've lost confidence in a lot of these guy's a long time ago.

How true this is I can't say,  but it also wouldn't surprise me.  I heard a good one the other day from an aquaintance he was telling me Game Wardens were stinging hunters by posing as hunters asking questions, nosing around camps, getting people to open up, and talk about their hunting, being friendly all the while in civilian clothes and assuming unmarked vehicles.   Then when they find something wrong they cite them.   This is BS with a capital B.  I use to talk to Game Wardens all the time while out hunting until a couple of them started getting out of line in my opinion,  now I'm not very talkative with anyone out hunting unless I know them.

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