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Optics / Unused scope for sale
« on: May 08, 2018, 06:44:09 AM »
For sale: Never mounted 2014 (I believe) Cabela’s Euro Optic made by Meopta. 3-9x42mm duplex reticle, exceptional 200 yard clarity @ 45 minutes after sundown on a small 10-point buck rack and a black and white diagonally stripped target.
Asking $280. I will pay shipping.
Cabela’s had this scope on close out, so add in the military discount and some buyers points and it was a good deal——-my scope needs changed and this scope was not mounted / used.

If interested, please send a PM.

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Unused scope for sale
« on: May 07, 2018, 07:46:28 PM »
For sale: Never mounted 2014 (I believe) Cabela’s Euro Optic made by Meopta. 3-9x42mm duplex reticle, exceptional 200 yard clarity @ 45 minutes after sundown on a small 10-point buck rack and a black and white diagonally stripped target.
Asking $280. I will pay shipping.
Cabela’s had this scope on close out, so add in the military discount and some buyers points and it was a good deal——-my scope needs changed and this scope was not mounted / used.

If interested, please send me a PM.

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Small wildcat cartridge
« on: May 03, 2018, 11:40:09 AM »
This might be the smallest wildcat cartridge I've seen. It is a 14-221 Walker. It fires a 15 grain bullet. This bullet goes to a hundred or so fragments upon entering a coyote or a doe, according to the builder / owner. As you can imagine, it does poorly in a crosswind.

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / 7mm Weatherby
« on: March 31, 2018, 07:04:33 PM »
It's only been 30 months in the making. This 7mm Weatherby Magnum is a sweet handling 9lb middle weight.

The saga continues: The morning after the mulie buck fell, my boys were at it again. They went back to the same place, a true Honey Hole, and as they drove into the field they saw a herd of white tails in the distance. The fog might have helped conceal the silver-colored pickup as it came toward the deer. The boys stalked in a bit, then got into a good shooting position in the same field where they got the mule deer the previous evening. With one shot from another rifle with a 308 Win, this buck took a fast trip to the ground. It was 200 yards from where the mulie buck fell.
To get two, 10-point deer the same season in virtually the same place is hard to imagine. The Honey Hole is on private ground and the owner is sure to get jerky from this adventure.

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Simple rifles work well
« on: December 03, 2017, 02:59:59 AM »
I will never deny the long-range accuracy of a 300 Weatherby. Mine is my favorite rifle and I see no real chance of that changing.
My son has a fairly heavy 308 Win that has served him very well when it comes to hunting on the High Plains. The handloads he uses are scary accurate but he shoots a lot so he knows what is going to happen with bullet drop and the effects of wind and mirage. He took this mulie buck yesterday with his 308 Win in the same large pasture where we have taken eight deer (mulie and white tail) in the past six years. The reputation for that pasture as being a "honey hole" has grown. As far as I know, there was neither a wind or a mirage factor but he still dropped it from 350 yards.
I only wish I was there with him for it.

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Unusual and unexpected II
« on: November 27, 2017, 01:31:22 AM »
It seems like some Sellier and Bellot factory ammo was overcharged. When it was used in this Savage rifle the results were bad but no one was hurt. The bolt can't be opened. I will let the Nation know if anything more comes from this.

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Return of the 284 Win
« on: November 26, 2017, 05:59:05 AM »
With the long-range craze we're in, I will not be surprised to see the return of the 284 Win in a production rifle by a few of the big manufacturers. We know the 284 Win originally came out with a semi-auto rifle and commercially the cartridge was a basic flop. High BC factor bullets in .284 caliber are plentiful and the long-range craze isn't going anywhere, in my opinion.

The 45-70 Govt has had a resurgence of sorts due to new ammo with soft-tipped, pointed bullets and I see no reason why the 284 Win cannot come back. I know the SAMMI specifications for max pressure for the 284 Win would not likely be re-done. However, there is M-1 Garand-specific ammo (that is not the same as ordinary 30-06 Springfield loads) and 45-70 Govt loads are specific for newer rifles, such as the 1895 Marlins or the Ruger #1s. The Trapdoor Springfields aren't capable of the pressures the modern rifles can take.

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Elk hunt cartridge
« on: April 19, 2017, 05:21:33 PM »
If you're hunting elk, what is your first cartridge choice? I've never hunted elk. I think I could do it well with my 300 Weatherby and a Swift A-Frame bullet but I would appreciate knowing what cartridge the experienced ones use.

I think its time for a serious discussion on a 7mm-300 Weatherby Magnum. The reception of the hunting world has been very good for the 6.5-300 Weatherby. I was not surprised by that since it goes faster than the competition and is on the famous Mark V action. Has Weatherby ever built a rifle that wasn't accurate?
Everything a super .264 caliber cartridge does can be done with a big 7mm cartridge capable of putting out a heavier bullet. I think the discussion or decision is centered on these items: ballistic performance overcoming the compeition and sales that make the line profitable. The bean counters and decision makers will never ignore a profit.

What is the standardized, factory-produced competition in the 7mm magnum world---big. With the 7mm Dakota, 7mm RUM, 7mm Rem, 7mm WSM, 7mm STW, 28 Nosler (plus whatever I've forgotten) and Weatherby's own cartridge lurking in there in the 7mm Weatherby Magnum, the field is vast. The 7 STW and 7mm Weatherby are nearly the same performance. The RUM and Nosler cartridges are big, but do they benefit from the freebore the Weatherby's enjoy? I don't know how the stack up.


Field & Stream has a great review of the 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum. The segment on the Far-Reaching Developments goes to show how the hunting / target shooting sporting industry has progressed in the last 30 years or so. This is the best review of the 6.5-300 Wby I've read (and I know there are lot of them in the shooting rags). Here 'tis:   

Long ago, Roy Weatherby hit on a formula for designing rifle cartridges that was so successful he was able to found a company based on it, and that company has not only survived but still flourishes 70 years later. Weatherby’s formula was a simple one: Use great gouts of gunpowder to drive bullets at unheard-of velocities, hundreds and hundreds of feet per second faster than anything else on the market. Hunters tried his cartridges and learned that with chalk-line-straight trajectory, they could accomplish amazing things. Shots that were once beyond their ability now were gimmes.

Weatherby did this with just about every common bullet diameter from .224 to .458, with one omission—the 6.5mm, or .264. The interest wasn’t there. Proof lay in the sad example of Winchester, which came out in 1959 with the .264 Winchester Magnum; despite very good performance for the time, it got only a lukewarm reception.
But things changed.

Far-Reaching Developments
For almost the entirety of the 20th century, the practical limit of a game rifle was 300 yards. This was the maximum range at which a skilled shooter with sporting (non-target) equipment could reliably hit a critter the size of a deer. A really good shot could go beyond that, but not as a regular thing.
But as the hideous 20th century gave way to the even more disgusting 21st, there were great sea changes.
•   A fresh generation of super-slow-¬burning powders enabled large-capacity cases to turn out far more feet per second.
•   Rifle accuracy increased by 100 percent, or 150 percent, or 200 percent, depending on how you measure it.
•   Small, highly accurate, very powerful, affordable laser rangefinders became common.
•   Hunting-bullet development took a mega leap forward, producing a new generation of slugs that are tough, highly aerodynamic, and extremely accurate.
•   Interest in the 6.5mm bullet surged, led by competition shooters who loved the lack of recoil and the sensational streamlining that you get with bullets of this diameter.
•   Hunting scopes crossbred with target scopes, and now are made with more magnification, range-compensating reticles, accurate adjustments (some of them, anyway), parallax focusing, and optics so wonderful they are practically incandescent.
•   Interest in long-range shooting spread beyond the military and target fraternities to big-game hunters, where its popularity still grows.
So, with all of this going on, it was time for Weatherby to plug the one hole in its lineup and come out with a 6.5mm cartridge. Officially, it’s called the 6.5/300 because its parent case is the .300 Weatherby Magnum necked down. In designing the new round, Weatherby did something very smart. Whereas Winchester created a cartridge only marginally faster than the competition with the .264, Weatherby stuck with the huge .300 case and came up with something that has nothing marginal about it—a 6.5 round capable of muzzle velocities north of 3500 fps.
And it’s loaded with three of the very best hunting bullets available: the Barnes 127-grain LRX (3531 fps); the Swift 130-grain Scirocco (3476); and the Swift 140-grain A-Frame (3395).

Straight Talk
There are several ways you can shoot at beasts from long range. You can use a standard-velocity round and compensate for the bullet drop at 300 yards and beyond by means of a range-compensating reticle, or you can put lots and lots of clicks of elevation in the scope (military shooters call these come-ups). Both processes, however, require a fair amount of experimentation and considerable cool¬headed¬ness under pressure. Most hunters won’t put in the time, or don’t have access to rifle ranges with the kind of yardage needed, or forget all the numbers when confronted with an actual animal in a for-real hunting situation.

With the 6.5/300, Weatherby has given you a different path. Sighted in to hit 2.5 inches high at 100 yards with the 127-grain Barnes bullet, my rifle hits at the same point at 200; it’s dead-on at 300; and it drops 7 inches at 400 yards, and 18 inches at 500 yards. What this means is that from the muzzle to 300 yards there’s no drop, and at 400 yards there’s so little drop that you merely take a “coarse bead,” as the old-¬timers used to say—hold a couple of handsbreadths high.

At 500 yards, you let your scope take over. (I put a Meopta 6X–24X HTR on this rifle, and they work together so well one would think they had been made for each other.) Assuming your scope has nice, accurate elevation adjustments, you put in 16 clicks, which gives you 4 inches at 100 yards and 20 inches at 500. This is a tad more than the numbers call for, but I’ve found that a couple of clicks extra are a righteous thing.

My first shot, using this method, was right in the center of the X-ring, and I became more excited than I did watching Natalie Wood in Splendor in the Grass in 1961. You can use the same method out to any range you please. As long as you know the distance to the target, you can get the drop figures from Weatherby’s website, translate it to clicks of elevation, verify on the range, and there you are. Windage, which is the real bugaboo at long range, is not much of a problem because these bullets all have very high ballistic coefficients and get to the target so fast that the breeze does not have much chance to push them. Shooting on a day with 20-mph gusts, I found my slugs moved an inch or two at 500 yards, which is nothing at all.

Level Best
Since there’s no such thing as a free brunch, the 6.5/300 comes with some special considerations. First is price. The rifle for which it’s chambered, the Mark V Accumark, costs well over $2,000. The newest version, with an improved stock and trigger, is for all intents a custom-made rifle, even down to the hand-lapped barrel. Mine shoots factory and handloaded ammunition inside .800 inch, which is what it takes to hit at long range.
Because of its sphincter-shivering powder charge, the 6.5/300 heats up very quickly. This also cuts down on barrel life, which disturbs some people greatly. I am not among those people. If you buy a Ferrari, do you lie awake nights because it burns a lot of gas? Recoil is not bad, certainly nothing like the .300 Weatherby Magnum. I get 19 foot-pounds in my rifle, which is about like a 7mm Remington Magnum. But it is not recoil-free.

Copper fouling is bad. You put this much heat and fire behind a bullet, and it’s going to leave streaks in the bore, and you will soon wonder where your accuracy went if you do not clean it often and well.

Aside from that, the 6.5/300 is the real deal. If you want to thump some animal in the ribs at a distance of five football fields, here is the easy way to go about it. In terms of overall effectiveness and bearable recoil, this is the best Weatherby magnum yet.

Tip of the Month: Too Hot to Handle
I tested the new Weatherby 6.5/300 in 70-¬degree weather and found that three rounds was enough to get the rifle’s barrel so hot you couldn’t hold your hand on it. At this point you have to stop shooting, or you will see your groups expand. You’ll also get a false point of impact, as heat waves rising from the barrel will make your aiming point appear higher than it actually is. Take a break, let the barrel cool down, and then resume.

For Remington owners worried about trigger replacement:

Turning aside objections from gun owners, legal experts and nine state attorneys general, a federal judge has given final approval to a landmark class action settlement involving some 7.5 million allegedly defective Remington guns.

The ruling allows the owners of some of Remington's most popular firearms — including the iconic Model 700 rifle — to have their triggers replaced free of charge.

In 2010, CNBC investigated allegations that for decades Remington covered up a deadly design defect that allows the guns to fire without the trigger being pulled. To this day, Remington denies the allegations and maintains the guns are safe. The company said it was settling the case to avoid protracted litigation.

Critics of the settlement alleged Remington deliberately downplayed the risks in order to suppress claims in the settlement, and that plaintiffs attorneys — who will now collect $12.5 million in fees — did not do enough to hold Remington's feet to the fire.

The attorneys general argued that Remington should be required to admit the guns are defective.

But U.S. District Judge Ortrie D. Smith, who twice sent the parties back to the drawing board to improve the settlement, decided that in the end fixing some of the guns is better than risking none at all being fixed.

"By approving this settlement, the Court facilitates remediation of the alleged defect," Smith wrote. "That result may save lives and reduce the risk of injury to others."

The settlement covers Remington's Model 700, as well as these other firearms: Seven, Sportsman 78, 673, 710, 715, 770, 600, 660, 721, 722 and 725 rifles, and the XP-100 bolt-action pistol.

Under the settlement, most of these guns will be retrofitted with a new trigger mechanism free of charge. However, some models — specifically the 600, 660, 721, 722, 725 and XP-100 — are considered too old to be retrofitted, so Remington is offering owners of those guns a product voucher worth between $10 and $12.50.

Got to web site below and scrool to the bottom for the hyperlink to get the form for trigger replacement.


The 7mm-300 Weatherby Magnum cartridge has been around for decades as a wildcat. The question is what would it do in light of the 6.5-300 Weatherby and the long-lasting 300 Weatherby with slow burning powders and excellent hunting bullets? We know both of these standardized cartridges are fully capable of taking big game. We also know the recent Nosler family of cartridges based on the 404 Jeffery are fast, but still fall under the line of what their Weatherby counterparts of the same caliber do.

With the very high ballistic coefficient bullets available, a 7mm-300 Wby would be a long-range bomber for big game. Would it be much better than a 300 Weatherby on the same big game at the same range? Would it be able to still be accurate vs a full value wind better than a bullet of a comparble BC from a .30 caliber rifle. In my opinion, the BC is a bigger factor in long range hunting than sectional density but it is not an apples to apples comparison.

What do you all think?

OK folks, the wait is over. Sig Sauer won the Army pistol replacement competition. The XM17, based on the Sig 320, will be in two slide lengths, but that's about as much as I know. The Army chief of staff declined to put me on the committee to choose the new pistol, darn it, but I'm glad to see the long process has come to a good ending.

The M92 Beretta pistol was  / is a big pistol to hold. That doesn't matter if you have large hands. It is reliable, but kind of an awkward pistol. It takes a lot (and I do mean a LOT) of trigger time to get soldiers comfortable with pistols-----no matter what make / model / caliber we're dealing with. The Sig is a fine choice, in my humble opinion. And yes, by the time I finally retire it will still be a few years before my unit sees the new pistols.

A buddy has a custom rifle on a pre-WWII Mauser action and a 26" Mk 82 barrel (.308 Win) and matching stock. He asked me to test fire the ammo and my handloads. It was a terrible thing------and I loved it!

The Sig Sauer ammo made a 3-shot group just as small as the Black Hills ammo, but both were just a tiny bit larger than the first of the groups with handloads. (Later, the handload ammo was re-shot making five holes with six shots).

All three loads had the 168gn Sierra Match King bullet. The Sig ammo is a tiny bit longer COL than the BH ammo but about $12 less / box than BH ammo.

If you're reaching for ammo, don't overlook the Sig ammo. So far, it is quite good.

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