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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: New Terramark
« on: Yesterday at 06:05:32 PM »
Another great looking rifle. Any particular reason you were drawn to the Terramark over the Accumark this time around?

This move to Wyoming, like any move cross country, has disrupted the easy flow of business that we're all use to, and won't get better till the move is complete, everything unboxed, opened, and put in its final resting place. Theres no temporary fit-it shop set up to handle rifle problems, not even warranty work, so there will probably be a whole lot more complaining from new Weatherby owners then we've seen in the past. New customers will have to understand that this disrupted transition time is not the "business as usual" that Weatherby routinely provides, and not the time to judge Weatherby as a company, at least until they can get set up again to handle problems. Anyone who has been a Nation member, even for a few years, is use to hearing about Weatherby's exemplary customer service, not just in repairs, but information, parts, and the willingness of Adam and Ed Weatherby to join in on our Nation conversations just being friendly or to defuse particular problems. You won't find another company where the CEO fraternizes, rubs elbows, whatever you want to call it, with the forum members and makes you feel your a part of the family. Its like having a friend on the inside, and it means a lot to us. We know that Weatherby rifles can be expensive and that when something goes wrong with a new purchase, its frustrating and we want it fixed. At this time, sorry to say, not all warranty or non warranty rifle problems can be handled in a timely manor, so an extra amount of patience may be the norm for now. These real rifle problems are not being ignored, but without a work space and the proper tools nothing can be accomplished until things are set up at the new location. This must be a frustrating time for Weatherby operations and we'll all be glad when the move is complete and things get back to normal. Anyway, this is how I see things going right now. JMO

Rifles / Re: Custom shop rifle?
« on: Yesterday at 07:37:39 AM »
Most likely, anything that can help identify that rifle is still boxed up and not set up for research yet. Unless your able to talk to someone who has a really good memory for technical information. (or the new Historian)

Rifles / Re: New Accuguard Problem
« on: August 17, 2018, 07:08:37 AM »
Glen8338, this is a late response to a secondary question you posted on this thread almost a month ago, that I meant to answer at the time but forgot.
Hope your problem is solved!  I'm from Canada and was hoping to not hear of the hassle you are having with Canada warranty service.
Weatherbyman22, this tightening the rear guard screw before the front guard screw is new to me.  My mentor, God rest his soul, informed me to snug both guard screws up! but torque the front first and then the rear.  I have done this for 50 years on all my rifles and it seems to work.  No real accuracy problems and the barrel Chanel spacing seems to be rather even.  I have three Weatherby Mark V's, two synthetic stocked and the other very nice piece of Deluxe wood.  I have tightened the guard screws wrong I guess, but the shot groups and barrel Chanel spacings seem to like what I did.  Is this a recommendation from Weatherby?

The same question was asked in 2016, because between 1975 and 2009 the owners manual published the front screw sequence for the action screw torque, and from 2010 to present the tighten the rear screw sequence for torquing the action screws was published.  The following is the official response that I got from Weatherby's Scott Morrell who was the director of Service and Maintenance at the time.
Thanks for bringing this thread to our attention:

The older method of torquing basically presented issues (especially when the stock has an aluminum bedding block). The problems we see are the result of applying too much torque to the front screw and then torquing down the rear. This can actually cause the receiver to flex, which is not good. That doesn't happen with wood stocks torqued to 35 in/lbs, like those used in the past.  That being said..

We've found the current method, as listed in the Vanguard Series 2 manual, is the proper way to tighten down action screws. This method lends itself to the best accuracy, and it cuts down on the possibility of damage to the firearm's components if improperly assembled or if the action screws are over-torqued. If a customer has an older gun, then they should follow the current method and sequence for torquing the action screws.

Current sequence for Vanguards:

1) Insert the trigger guard assembly with its follower and spring into the stock and hold in place.

2) Insert the trigger guard screws and, with a screw driver of proper size, lightly seat the screws while holding the rifle in a vertical position with the butt down. Pull down on the barrel to help seat the recoil lug on the receiver with the mating surface in the stock.

3) Tighten the trigger guard screws to the proper torque and in the proper sequence as follows. Always tighten the rear screw first to a torque of 35 inch pounds, followed by a torque of 35 inch pounds to the front screw. For wood and synthetic stocks this is the final torque value that should be used. On composite stocks with aluminum bedding blocks, apply additional torque to 55 inch pounds to the rear screw followed by 55 inch pounds to the front screw.

I hope this helps.

Scott Morrell
Director of Service & Merchandise

JK, Like you I don't have an opinion good or bad (only know what I've read) about Christensen carbon barrels, but wondering how different theirs is from the the Weatherby MKV Carbon Mark. Same type barrel construction or not? I know (from reading) that Christensen has been making them for many years, so maybe their custom work surpasses the Weatherby standard production rifle?   

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Present for the Wife
« on: August 16, 2018, 06:08:25 PM »
Very nice quilt, I'm sure she's gonna love it. Wonder if the star burst design on the quilt is a random design? (no new rifle under the bed? just kidding :)) Most of us could take a cue from you and surprise our wives with a gift every once in a while. Except Bad!

Shotguns / Re: Need New Barrel for PA-08
« on: August 16, 2018, 04:24:23 PM »
Welcome to the Nation, even if you are just Fishing ;D Try Numrich Gun Parts.

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: the setup
« on: August 15, 2018, 06:39:22 PM »
If she shoots as good as she looks you'll have a good season of hunting.

Rifles / Re: new 6.5 300 vanguard
« on: August 14, 2018, 03:53:18 PM »
Welcome to the Nation hm56. Great deal on that GunBroker 6.5 Wby. I'm guessing the ammo was the 127 grain? Its good to hear stories like yours, and good luck this deer season. (What part of the country are you hunting)

I thought this was an interesting bit of history for deer hunters. We know some of this, and the read is a bit long, but interesting.(I printed this part because the link was longer)

Medieval Meat
During the Medieval Period in western Europe, venison took on a very special importance in society. Under the rule of the Norman Kings, a Forest Law was established allowing the King to designate any area as Royal Forest with strict laws against the killing or collection of deer or vegetation. Laws also prohibited venison from being sold. Venison represented a special commodity that only the rich and influential had access to. Because of this, venison was much more than protein, it was an obvious symbol of the ruling elite. It became a way for those important enough to have venison to show others they respected them enough to present such a special gift.
The gift of venison might come in the form of an invite to hunt, or several quarters delivered to an estate, an invitation to a celebratory feast, or even live captured deer in wooden crates to be released elsewhere. As a good illustration of the value and prestige of venison, there are written records of guests complaining that other meat (pork and beef) were being passed off as venison to the guests (who knew the difference and were not imressed). Beef and pork could be purchased anywhere, but venison was special. Although today we celebrate the leanness of venison and lack of fatty marbling, in Medieval times fat was desired and relished. Deer were hunted specifically during times of peak fat which they referred to as being “in grease.” Males were hunted in the month prior to rut before they “ran off ” their fat reserves, and females were mostly hunted in late fall after having a chance to be fatted up.
Because of the high value of venison, it became a way to show social leadership and to strengthen social connections in the community. If you were important enough to be given venison then you were known and respected by someone important. As politics became a more important part of Medieval society, the records show that gifts of venison became more common around political election time! According to John Fletcher, in his book “Gardens of Earthly Delight,” the Duke of Norfolk gave away 75 deer in the year 1515; with most going to 16 knights, 5 priors, 5 lords, and other local dignitary.
Although people of that era were commercializing everything, they did not dare extend that to deer meat. Having venison available to all in the open market would have devalued this important social symbol of wealth and power among the elite. Another reason for not allowing the sale of venison is that making it profitable would certainly encourage poaching. Poaching was already well documented in more than just the familiar tale of “Robin Hood.” He was taking from the rich and giving to the poor, but he wasn’t shooting bags of coins with that bow.
Ample court records show that the peasants did not have the same aversion to selling venison; they were always scraping to get by and additional venison in the stew pot or money from poached deer was a welcomed addition. If caught by the forest officer, poachers sometimes were successful in bribery by simply splitting the deer with him. Because venison was such a special treat there was reportedly an increase in poaching immediately before major feasts or holidays like Christmas.
To the modern taste buds, deer fat is not desirable because it has a higher melting point and can feel “pasty” in the mouth when it reaches room temperature. If washed down with a cold drink, it might feel decidedly waxy. There were no freezers or meat lockers in those days and so venison was usually salted and sometimes smoked
before being packed in barrels for storage or transportation. The natural leanness of venison helped keep the meat from becoming rancid. recipes of the day frequently called for a vinegar marinade, which may have been more for disinfecting the meat under Medieval conditions than it was to flavor or tenderize it. Interestingly, many of the present-day sour meat dishes in European cooking (like sauerbraten) may originate from the fact that Medieval kitchens used a lot of vinegar.
Throughout later British and European history, venison continued to be an important commodity to gift to others or flaunt apparent wealth. The upper class who had access to deer continued to invite friends of favor to come hunt or partake in a feast that included venison as its centerpiece. Meanwhile, in North America, Native American tribes revered venison in much the same way by sharing and gifting this valuable commodity among their community. Those with venison were skilled enough to obtain it and those on the receiving end of a gift were honored. To this day, many tribes favor venison over beef because they know it is healthier, harder to obtain, and holds special cultural meanings. A friend who is Navajo sometimes donates venison to members of certain Pueblo Tribes. His gifts are immediately met with insistent return gifts of Pueblo bread, tamales, burritos or fresh corn. The value of venison and the practice of bartering has deep cultural roots going back father than we can document.

Mark, if it were a young doe or any young deer, I think the meat might have been tender. Then if it were butchered right away, hanging might not be necessary. JMO

Rifles / Re: Boyd At-One for a Vanguard S2?
« on: August 12, 2018, 09:54:46 AM »
Welcome to the Nation CJ. Thats a common problem, as the universal stock lengths on particular rifles aren't always suited to specific body dimensions. Sometimes ordering and installing a youth stock on your rifle will correct the problem, as the length of pull is adjustable (I believe) from 12.5" to 13.5" on the youth bolt action. Good luck   

Not sure about taste, but if you age your meat between 33 and 40 degrees for 4-6 days it does seem to be more tender
I always thought that the idea of aging deer meat was for tenderizing purposes also. That said, field dress as soon as physically possible as you don't want the animal to bloat by building up gasses, especially in not so cool weather. Keeping the animal cool and draining as much blood from the meat is what I thought made the meat taste better.( after that, marinating helps) So, does it help to have the carcass upside down?   

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: new deluxe mark v stock
« on: August 12, 2018, 05:32:42 AM »
Welcome to the Nation Farrout, how did your rifle shoot with the new Deluxe stock installed?

I've never heard of the Tenderstretch method of hanging a deer for cleaning and aging. Having never tried it, I wonder if it really makes a difference at all. I've never been in a steakhouse meat locker, but I do remember seeing beef hanging in a movie. Any butchers out there?


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