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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: AR-Style Shotguns
« on: April 28, 2022, 12:06:10 PM »
In bear country I think it would be advisable to check out different kinds of buckshot pellets something harder and will penetrate deeper  i.e copper plated, tungsten (very expensive), Nickel plated etc.  do some penetration testing and see what you think.   I still would alternate slug and buck shot in the magazine.

 Calling it was it is  IMO is not a bad thing.  I we don't stand up for our rights , our history, and what this country is founded on  we may not have one if it gets any worst.  I've never seen it this divided.

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Back to basics
« on: April 27, 2022, 11:01:46 PM »
+ 1

right now I need to learn more about this new cartridge I'm leaning what Grizzly 340 said especially when ammo shortages are around.  As  much as I like innovation these companies need to think outside the box.

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Hard cast bullet test.
« on: April 25, 2022, 05:48:23 PM »
Yea I know,  I'm the worst when it comes to writing  ;D ,  but at least I try to get the point out there even if I drag on as others have mentioned in the past,  jokingly of course.     

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: AR-Style Shotguns
« on: April 24, 2022, 10:14:07 AM »
I don't know a darn thing about Citadel shotguns I sure hope it works out and you know this run a couple hundred shells you are going to use to ensure the bugs are worked out.  My steel plate play shotgun an older custom Rem 1100 with higher capacity 2  3/4 " with  speed chute , briley ported on the front,  large charging handle, speed feed stock, smoothed up,  etc.  it will unload  shots faster then you can imagine, but it's heavy,  if I personally were to do what you are talking about it would be a simple matter for me to replace the barrel with a 21 " and screw on a shorter mag extension.  The gun is just reliable and soft on the shoulder.   Benelli M-4 is another fine gun.     I would look for an older rem 11-87  which handles 3" shells  in a 21 " turkey barrel, add some appropriate sights and I do use red dots, more than likely it would be an Aimpoint (rugged & reliable), keep an iron sight/bead on the front just in case, install a Briley ported choke tube rifled if you want to occasionally shoot rifled slugs or stick with a short range smooth bore choke.  That would be something a person would need to think about when selecting slugs or shot after testing to make sure it works to your expectations.  You could alternate slug, buckshot slug buckshot in the mag after testing.   In my case I would ditch the speed chute and large charging handle and leave it stock,  get a speed feed II stock, add a shorter mag extension tube and barrel / tube brace , and smooth out the transition  to the extended mag tube, and add sling,  it will still be approx 8 pounds or just buy a Benelli already set up.   Remington did make some short barreled combat semi-autos at one time, might be something to look at.

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Hard cast bullet test.
« on: April 23, 2022, 11:44:25 PM »
If I were going to hunt with a pistol/handgun caliber such as a 44 mag, 45 Colt, 454 Casull and I were huntings anything tougher than a large mule deer such as elk, moose, bear, large hogs within the handguns effective range it would be any of the better very hard cast LBT molds (Lead bullet Technology) styles,  SSK molds makes a decent design, Nei makes a good mold,  rcbs, lyman , H&G old school, Old ideal molds, any mold with a large cutting band & nose such as the better  Keith style swc (semi wad cutter) molds,   Magma makes great molds and I'm a little Bias since the founder's  kids and I are child hood friends and have at one time owned most of their equipment  they can convert  / mill a few  other 1 or 2 cavity  manufacturers  iron molds  I have a couple I got used  for use in their master casters and bullet master automated machines.  Anything made out of hardened Linotype alloys with or without gas checks depending on how hard the lead is.  Any of these bullets should have a wide Meplat (big flat tip). Since I make my own  for some of our guns and have for many years,   in the 44 mag  I like Heavy per caliber bullets in most cast bullet calibers, such as  LBT 300 gr wide flat nose or Long flat nose, (chances of leading barrels is down when using heavy per caliber bullets and of course lead hardness and barrel condition i.e. pitted worn out barrels play a huge part also).   Linotype  and 2-6 or 2-7 cast bullet alloys are a lot harder than most jacketed/plated hunting  bullet cores whether it's a rifle or handgun bullets.  Cast bullets alloys that are made specific  costs quite a bit more to make and buy vs a standard cup and core bullet which the jacket is the hardest part of their bullet and the lead core is usually swaged in which soft cheaper to buy lead is used to create some expansion in handguns and they don't always expand as advertised,  hence the use of very hard & wide Meplat handgun bullets  that  will  drive deep and  don't need to expand because they are already wide to begin with.  These big companies IMO  generally buy lead based on the London metal exchange rates and they buy in tonnage amounts  or they have other resources where they can buy materials.   If you were going to use some of these extra hard bullets in a semi-auto the big flat Meplat may not cycle correctly and will need to choke down tip diameter something like a Truncated cone design to feed properly that's what I use in the 9 mm  147 grain & 10 mm 200 grain in  semi-autos and I don't gas check these they are hard enough with full power loads.   The only  extra step I've had to do when re-loading these big heavy bullets  especially the 320's and some others is they need to be seated in 2 stages to be able to crimp.   I had guys tell me the LBT's in 44 mags used in Alaska will blow right thru a Bull Moose  broad side at handgun range.  In the 44's , 357's ,  45's,  I strictly use the powder than gives the highest velocities normally H-110 or Win 296.  I do like the old HS-7 now discontinued powder in the 10 MM auto.   There are a couple other powders that will fill the bill these are just my favorities for this application.   For penetration testing I use Oak rounds and measure the depth,  Bullet proof glass sometimes at handgun velocities,  sand,  sometimes wet news papers.  Most of the time these very hard bullets don't deform a whole lot they may smear the nose a little just like they are suppose to do.  I've even tried them in a 458 win mag full power loads in an oak round,  I guess that's why they use solids on Elephants.  To be honest I rarely buy  30-30 , 35 rem,  458 dia  jacketed rifle bullets  because for my purposes I can run  full power loads at a substantial cost savings accuracy is on par with factory jacketed bullets,   and  in these applications they work just fine. 

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Flies
« on: April 22, 2022, 05:01:49 PM »
Before the city put up a fence around our little airport the elk and antelope would just walk in, if I remember correctly one airplane hit an elk I don't think anyone was hurt.   The animals are still there and I even saw a large Beaver  stop traffic  on the U.S.  Hwy  on the side of the airport,  vehicles just waited until he crossed,  each year  a lot of elk get hit in the same spot.  We have flies that goes with the territory the one's I dislike are biting deer flies. 

I'm kind of thinking to myself,  I saw it some place where someone mentioned one reasoning for having  a longer more potent long range caliber was to create everyone who is carrying it a basic sniper per say and I say this loosely, or maybe a better way of saying this would allow you  to have a lot more people the capability of longer range shots with a higher hit probability.  Take a look at the Vortex sighting system the Military just bought ,  It's going to go hand and glove with this new rifle,  it pretty much does everything for the shooter to make longer range shots.  I wish I had one,  I'm just  not going to pay what the Military is paying for this new sight system.  Speaking just about the rifle  (not the SAW),  I don't understand if you wanted something a little more modern you could update an AR 10  to do basically the same thing,  lighten it up, new cartridge, make it handle the increased pressures,  and be a whole lot cheaper.   You watch when the R&D is completed and the bugs worked out for some new super  propelled  system in the next few years we will have another switch in weapons. 

I think someone is getting greased on this deal,  how good is good enough ?  I'm all for innovation ibut when they are spending this kind of money I sure hope it's a good investment and return on the dollar.  There wasn't anything terribly wrong with the old 1911 , then we get a Beretta and 30 yrs later it's gone.  Both are good guns and both have their flaws so what's so special about the Sig pistol ?  It's not like it's a primary weapon it's a frekin handgun. 

Amazing what you can make with a little imagination,  looks good. 

My guess would be Special Op's command is fielding new weapons with new cartridges and looks like Norma is one of them from what's in the rumor mill 338 Norma Mag.  U.S. does not like buying not made in the USA if they can help it,  Maybe that's why Norma is setting up a plant in the States, just like Beretta and Sig.

Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Bear Attack
« on: April 14, 2022, 04:45:21 PM »
Agree,  practice practice practice.  we have talked about this before,  and that goes for hunting also. How many times we as a whole have not been prepared for a game animal that just pops in front of you or comes in from behind ,or your gun isn't ready or accessible in time.   I  fumbled because I wasn't ready on a very large muley that held tight and something spooked him and he ran from behind and past me on a full run. 

The only one we don't have is the A5,  I really don't shoot that many shotguns anymore , I wonder if they made a 28 ga then I might be interested. 

 Currently in my area about the only ammo in any numbers are military calibers,  9mm, 5.56, 7.62,  some 12 ga shotgun slugs.   there are small assortments of less popular calibers that float in and are gone in a short time as people pick up the phone and call friends,  hey the ammo is in get down here asap.  Very little powders, NO PRIMERS at all.   A few component rifle bullets ,  some component handgun bullets,  and very little brass,   Rimfire ammo mostly 22 LR some 17 and I didn't see any 22 Mags.   Haven't seen any of the more popular hunting ammo i.e. 270 win,  30-30, 30-06, 300 win for some time.   I wouldn't be at all surprised if the larger companies are geared up for military ammo , makes sense actually , but there is some non military ammo filtering little by little and gone in a few days.  I'm of the opinion you find something YOU USE YOU NEED buy it, don't hesitate, don't think,  buy it, especially the odd ball less popular hard to find ammo / components and stuff you NEED.    I don't think it's going to get any better for some time and the prices I doubt will come down.    Primers if I wanted I can buy all day long at ten times the price + that I was paying pre fanatics.  Stuff is out there but you are going to pay.  I know guys that can get by with 3 boxes of rifle ammo and it would last 10 years plus so  for them it's probably not a big deal as it would be for people that hunt, test, re-load a lot. 

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