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Stacey is correct there are many ways to skin a cat.   No No No on the inserting action screws into wet epoxy if I read this right,  if you know what you are doing  it can be done with certain steps, the last thing you want to do is weld the action screws in the receiver and you have to grind off a complete stock to start over.    I'd plug the action screw holes with wax and clay and band the action in place. Band the action is using medical rubber tubing and securing the action in place very very tightly while the epoxy is drying you don't need the action screws to hold the rifle in place doing it this way.  It's the thick bands when they draw blood,  get half a dozen of these thick bands and they will last your lifetime.  Look on you tube  and it will show you the different ways of securing a rifle stock when bedding with epoxy.  I ask the nurses when getting blood drawn to give me a few and they usually do.     First it's number 1 barrel which can be a little finiky.  Don't do anything until you think this thing out.   What were your group sizes before with the original stock ?   If I read this right you have the idea to insert action screws when epoxy bedding is still wet ?  Anything you do above and beyond can void warranty just depends upon how picky the manufacturer of the item wants to be.  Most recommended tip pressures are about 5 to 10 pounds give or take there is no set rule.   Most Weatherby plastics have built in tip pressure normally 2 lengthwise pressure pads this does two things it centers the barrel in the channel and causes a certain amount of tip pressure.  Tip pressure in and of itself  IF DONE RIGHT can cause the rifle to shoot well right off the get go with probably more and different kinds of ammo,  this is one reason companies do this.   It doesn't make it totally consistent as it can be when free floated and best ammo used.   Lengthwise  left and right pressure pads in the fore end to center a barrel  are a band aid for ill fitting stocks in my opinion,  basically it makes the barrels look centered  (which it usually does) , but any imperfections in other areas of the stock can rear it's ugly head such as more pressure left or right or uneven pressures on high points of the pads themselves can case problems.  It would be almost impossible to have perfect  pressure contact on every gun on the assembly line.      Different torque  values can and does make for differences in accuracy,  just how much is dependent upon the rifle and ammo.  If it were me and I'm not recommending or not recommending  this is on you  if you want to do it.  First I don't trust most gunsmiths to do a job glass bedding any better than I can do my self  it's not rocket science.  I would find a used plastic original stock and play with it on how t glass bed a rifle, if you screw it up you aren't out but a few bucks as long as you don't weld the rifle into the stock with epoxy because you didn't read and follow the instructions.  I would totally take out the pressure pads in the fore end of the practice stock you just bought to play with.  As long as the action is not rocking in the action (front to back ),  it's usually not necessary to bed  the (action) from stem to stern  which includes the tang and the completely surrounding the action.  Pillar bedding the action screws are fine IF YOU WANT to , but not usually necessary unless the stock is pretty spongy and you are worried about compressing the stock with the action screws.  What I find the easiest is epoxy bedd the recoil lug and  fore ward into the chamber area about 3 to 4 inches and stop.  Leaving the rest of the barrel channel free floated and when I mean free floated I mean free floated .  Usually these Tupper stock can bend and warp when heated either by ambient outside temps such as the desert where I sometimes hunt and rapid fire shooting heating the barrel.   Tupperware stocks I will usually give about 1 /4 " clearance underneath the barrel all the way back to the where you stopped the epoxy 3 to 4 inches into the barrel channel.   This does two things bedding the chamber 3 to 4 inches really stiffens up the stock substantially and giving yourself 1/4 " clearance  under the barrel allow a certain amount of movement up and down so the stock doesn't touch when heated, to cause the bullet to start walking.   Left and right barrel channel clearance where it's free floated  is up to you myself 1/8 inch is about right . This is a cheap easy fix for most rifles, not necessarily  the best   you can always completely bed the action and pillar bed from tang to just ahead of the receiver 3 to 4 inches,  install steel rods in the barrel channel and epoxy and most of these Tupperware stocks have voids in the barrel channel that you can fill with epoxy which really stiffens the whole package up without too much added weight.  Another trick is take 15 thousandths or more thickness underground gas pipe tape and run a strip of tape down the whole barrel to where you want the free floating to begin approx 3 to 4 inches ahead of the receiver  where you will make full contact bedding of the action,  this really does a nice job and stiffens the  whole thing up about as stiff as you can make it.  Drill out your pillars or stock action screw holes just a little bit over size, you don't want to bind or cause the stock to crack.   Wrap the piece of black electrical tape on the back side and bottom of the recoil lug to give yourself a little clearance to release  action from the stock.  Find yourself a friend with a milling machine and have him cut out the epoxy from the mag/ floor plate , and trigger area, tang area,  or  other areas.  OR buy yourself a good Dremel tool with various sanding and cut off wheels and do it yourself.   

Go test different loads or handload for accuracy,  you are looking for absolute consistency whether its a scope misbehaving or the stock.   I probably missed a few things and if you have any questions feel free to ask.    By the way I've had to do this with both Tupperware and the better B&C  stocks.   At least if you do a practice stock and screw it up you  didn't screw up your original stock.   

Thanks for the input.  Looks like I am getting in too big a hurry.  My intent was to take care of 2 issues at the same time.  I need to slow down, do a proper bedding job, then take care of the pressure points. 
Rifles / Re: New Accumark in 300 WIN
« Last post by danno50 on Today at 04:30:13 AM »
A  3 shot group that measures 4.4" is great shooting, Congrats! Long as you do your part, that rifle and scope shouldn't give you any excuses for a miss.  ;D Nice shooting!   
Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Indiana HB1415
« Last post by Chris on Today at 12:59:38 AM »
I can finally say,"what ever you want to use."
Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Indiana HB1415
« Last post by blackbear3 on Yesterday at 10:33:36 PM »
Glad to hear you can use your Weatherbys to hunt in Indiana this year, which rifle are letting your daughters use? 
Reloading / Re: Do you remember when you started reloading?
« Last post by Cbloom20 on Yesterday at 09:26:17 PM »
It's awesome that there are folks here that have been reloading longer than I've been alive. What a knowledge base!!

I got started in 2014 loading for my Ruger M77 (Tang Safety) in 270 WIN. I load 130 gr Nosler Partitions over a healthy charge of IMR 4350. Now I load for my dad's Vanguard 25-06, my wife's Camilla 243 WIN and my Mark V 300 WIN. Once my brothers send their dies, I'll load for them too.

It's relaxing, saves money (except for now I shoot a lot more), increases accuracy and gives me another step that I don't have to rely on someone else for to put food on my family's table. I think that's what I enjoy the most. There's just something about taking an animal from the field to the dinner table completely on your own that makes a man feel like he's accomplished something.
Rifles / Re: New Accumark in 300 WIN
« Last post by Cbloom20 on Yesterday at 09:20:16 PM »
Well I got my handloads worked up, 212 gr Hornady ELD-X with 75.5 gr of H1000, and I have been stretching ol' girl's legs a bit. I shot a group that measured 4.44 inches center to center at 1,000 yds. Being as I'll never shoot a group like that again, I took a picture. Whatever Weatherby is doing over there in Paso Robles, they're doing it right!
Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Young gunslinger
« Last post by wby4ever on Yesterday at 08:24:20 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D

I have dreams about exciting fishing trips and hunting.  I guess about 12 -14 years ago we were elk hunting locally and hauled the horses to Loco knoll  just north of Escudilla mtn in eastern AZ.  My dad had passed away and I decided to use his rifle scabbard which was pretty old and I didn't check the condition of the leather straps which looked fine until you bent them and then you could see the degradation of the leather.  I was on my wifes loco freking horse half appaloosa & paso fino gilding ,  this horse hated guy's and was about worthless when a gun went off.  Don't even think about shooting off of him other wise it's yea yaw or a e- ticket ride.  His eye's would go wide with fire and then he got upset,  anyway I was in the middle of world war 3 with him when we decended down loco knoll and the top rifle strap broke and slung the rifle down smacking a big  rock,  right on top of an old Leupold Vari X III 2.5x8 ,  great scope ,  dented and scratched the scope and rifle,  BUT it didn't break and still held zero,  I couldn't believe it,  it hit hard.   I hated that freking horse, he would give me crap every time I went to catch him.   This last year my son and I were down unit 27 Az on his Coues deer hunt and he went over backwards after a rock gave way and landed on the scope  totally bent his scope had to drive into town about 60 miles away and buy a new scope,  normally we don't take a spare rifle when we hunt locally,  probably ought to.   I got a bunch of stories,  sank a jeep in a creek,  had to drive backwards off a mtn because we lost all foreward gears on my buddies  jeep,  cooked an elk in the back of the same jeep due to an axle overheating while I was towing  the jeep for miles.  Towed that same jeep down to Patagonia in south AZ javelina hunting  tow bar broke and dragged the jeep sideways with the safety chains.  Friend shot an elk just south of Flagstaff someone forgot to latch the towbar back in the up and locked position and retrieving the downed elk the towbar swung down  into the dirt and high centered the same old jeep ,  finally I told my buddy unless you get a better heavy duty tow bar I ain't towing this thing any more and he did.   This was one of those jeep you didn't care if you tore up or not if you know what I mean,  it always got us back with one exception when we lost a tire, wheel, and axle. 
Rifles / Re: Varmint Master 224 Nra Army Mkv
« Last post by 224KING on Yesterday at 08:02:11 PM »
Is Weatherby Custom inscribed on the floor plate?
Rifles / Re: Varmint Master 224 Nra Army Mkv
« Last post by 224KING on Yesterday at 08:00:13 PM »
A Custom Shop,5 panel Lasermark with a 26 inch barrel will bring just under 3k in excellent condition on the open market.The medallions are what worries me.They probably reduce the value of the rifle.I wouldn't think that Weatherby did it,but you could get a letter of authenticity from them on it and find out for sure.

Is it a 26 or 24 inch barrel?
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