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28 Nosler VS 7mm wby MAG

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Re: 28 Nosler VS 7mm wby MAG
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2015, 04:44:20 PM »
I see these simply as a marketing ploy.

There is always someone looking for the next latest/greatest thing.

Do they work better than other 7mm calibers that have been around for years - either an outright NO or NOT "significantly" better.

But that doesn't matter and it's not the point.

It's like this with anything from cars to toasters.

If you already have a 7mm of some description then the "average shooter" wouldn't gain anything.

But if you don't have 7mm and are looking for one then Nosler is trying to get you to buy "their" 7mm.

I bought a rifle chambered in 6.5 Creed - why? because I didn't have a 6.5 and figured since I wanted one may as well go with the "newer" choice that is pretty well supported by Hornady.

Likewise, the 28 or 26 Nosler will probably be well supported by them so if you are looking for one of those (rare/less common) caliber offerings may as well get it from someone who is going to produce loaded rounds or brass, at least for a while :)
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Re: 28 Nosler VS 7mm wby MAG
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2015, 07:37:01 PM »
I happened to be on the Nosler website buying brass yesterday. BTW, they have a pretty good deal on 270 and 340 Weatherby brass. It caught my eye that the 28 Nosler brass was "out of stock." Interesting way to launch a new caliber, with an acute shortage of reloading components. Curt.
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Re: 28 Nosler VS 7mm wby MAG
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2015, 11:09:46 AM »
Disregard my previous post, I found them.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2015, 11:13:39 AM by Oscar »

Re: 28 Nosler VS 7mm wby MAG
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2017, 09:38:51 AM »
This has been a great topic!

I am planning to rebarrel my 1976 Mark V Deluxe (Japanese mfr) in 7mm Wby, and would be appreciative of the group's insights.

The rifle has the 24 inch barrel, pencil contour, with a pressure point.  I roughly estimate that it has at least 700 or 800 rounds down it, and perhaps, a 1,000.

This rifle has generally shot around 1.4 to 1.6 inch groups, three shots, 100 yds.

At this time, I want to improve the accuracy to 1.0 inch, or better, 3 shots, at 100 yds.  Mostly, it will be an elk rifle, with mulies, whitetails, hogs, wolves, and an occasional coyote or gong on the list.

At this time, I am considering a 26 inch, light contour Shilen SS match barrel, with a muzzle brake, in either 7mm Wby, or 28 Nosler.  I likely want to shoot 160 to 180 grain, high BC, long, hunting bullets such as Nosler Partitions, Nosler AccuBonds, Bergers, Hornadys, etc.

Your professional comments and input would be appreciated.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2017, 09:52:54 AM by stevecrea »

Re: 28 Nosler VS 7mm wby MAG
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2017, 10:39:05 AM »
If it were me I would keep my long Weatherby action in a Weatherby caliber that way you know it will function.

As far as the Nosler cartridges they were designed to work out of a standard long length action and provide maximum performance like the short magnum cartridges designed before it for short action rifles.
And they do achieve what they sat out to do. Their big mistake was pushing them saying they are the fastest designed and comparing them to Weatherby which started confrontation with Weatherby owners.
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Re: 28 Nosler VS 7mm wby MAG
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2017, 10:58:35 AM »
I have never been around anyone with a 7mm weatherby. This last fall I did see what a 28 Nosler and a 175 grain LR Accubond does. It hits and it hits hard on big game.
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Re: 28 Nosler VS 7mm wby MAG
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2017, 12:44:01 PM »
With that few rounds down the tube, your existing 7mmWby isn't likely shot out yet. If you'd rather keep it and find a bit more accuracy, try searching this forum for "BTE regimen" and follow what I've posted on that subject. You may be surprised to find out how much life your 24" barrel still has in it.

I'd also encourage you to experiment with handloads (or even factory ammo) before you spend the coin to rebarrel. I'd guess theres a reasonable chance for 3-shot, 1-1.25" groups at 100yds from your rifle.

If you're dead set on rebarreling, I'm in the same camp as Truck Driver. You won't have feeding issues, nor will you have issues do finding brass or ammo in 3-5yrs, like I suspect you will with the Nosler rounds. The 28 is negligibly faster than the 7mmWby, and at the cost of barrel life by several hundred rounds.
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Re: 28 Nosler VS 7mm wby MAG
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2017, 04:00:52 PM »
Thank you for the good input! I appreciate it.

By the way, I still get many compliments on this rifle from my hunting companions.  The workmanship, design, and reliability have been superb, and it is a fine piece, even though it is 41 yrs old!!

My best kill with it was on a quickly escaping bull in the Idaho Salmon River Country.  525 lasered yards, one shot kill, 160 grain Nosler Partition, Weatherby factory ammo. Rifle, ammo, scope, shooter, all working together!!

Re: 28 Nosler VS 7mm wby MAG
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2017, 04:17:18 PM »
Stevecrea
The 7mm Wby is a great round, if not the best of all the 7mm mags. If you do rebarrel to a 7mm Wby the only change I would make is the twist. Being your rifle is 41 yrs old it may have a 1/12 twist, and the new ones are 1/10. These twists are not fast enough to stabalize the newer long range heavy for caliber bullets. Something along the lines of 1/8.5 might be better. Maybe someone on here who knows more about twists could give you some  insight. All in all the 7m Wby is great.

Re: 28 Nosler VS 7mm wby MAG
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2017, 05:00:08 PM »
Good point on the twist.  It is 1 in 10, and I am thinking of 1 in 9, 1 in 8.5, or 1 in 8.

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Re: 28 Nosler VS 7mm wby MAG
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2017, 05:01:39 PM »
I agree with what everyone had said. I don't think your barrel is shot out, there is a whole list of things to check before giving up on the barrel.

But if your set on a new barrel l would stay with the weatherby, decide on what bullet you will be wanting to shoot the most, and go with the  manufactures recommended barrel twist for that bullet
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Re: 28 Nosler VS 7mm wby MAG
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2017, 05:44:28 PM »
I agree with the other's, your barrel is likely ok. And like the other's already said, if you rebarrel it,  keep the 7mm weatherby caliber, and go with at least a 1-9" twist barrel, or faster, depending on what bullet you want to use.

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Re: 28 Nosler VS 7mm wby MAG
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2017, 06:40:57 PM »
You've gotten a bunch of great advice here, clean the heck out of it with BTE like Dubyam suggested. Play with some hand loads, especially seating depth if you already have some preferred loads.
If you got the hankering to spend money on a new barrel stick with the Bee, if not just buy a Nosler.
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Re: 28 Nosler VS 7mm wby MAG
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2017, 06:46:09 AM »
to add to my previous post, like dubyam said, have you tried any other factory ammo or hand loads, to see how your rifle shoots them. My Japanese Fibermark 7mm Wby, shoots the factory 160gr partition ammo, about the same as yours, approx. 1.5"@100 yards. The factory 175gr load, a little less, but the factory 154gr load, sub moa. I worked up, a 160 gr partition hand load that's sub moa. Lots of things you can try, before rebarreling.  8)

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