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6.5-300 Range Day

6.5-300 Range Day
« on: September 20, 2016, 06:35:11 AM »
Ok so I finally get a day off work to head to the range with the Mark V Outfitter RC 6.5-300, Vanguard S2 6.5 Creedmoor and a custom built Remington 700 SS 280 AI,

I start with the 6.5-300, 130gr Scirocos, muzzle brake on the rifle, one shot at 25 yards 2" high and 1" left a quick adjustment and 2 touching centered at 25 yards.....ok looks good let it cool while I try out the other rifles, a quick cleaning and 1st 3 shot group at 100 yards is 3.5" high and a 2" group hhmmm

Let the gun cool completely, clean it.....2nd group see below



Let the gun cool completely, clean it and here's where it get interesting ? see below
1st shot 5" right and 1.75" high ?
2nd shot 3.5" right and 3" high ?
3rd shot 2" right and 4" high ?



I chronographed all shots with the Labradar and was M/V was pretty consistent 3443-3455

Hopefully when the 127gr LRX and 140gr A Frames show up it will be better........? My gunsmith is going to scope the barrel and bore, check the crown and bedding just for interest sake.
The factory target it came with said .77" with the 127gr LRX ? so hopefully it just doesn't like 130gr Sciroccos, but with the changing point of Impact I'm thinking something is amis ? the scope is a new VX3i-4.5-14x40 CDS 30mm tube.

The Vanguard 2 shot a consistent 1" group with the new Hornady 143gr ELDX and the 280AI shot consistent 1/2" groups all morning with the factory Nosler 140gr Accubonds.

« Last Edit: September 22, 2016, 05:48:16 AM by WeatherbyFan 65 »
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Re: 6.5-300 Range Day
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2016, 07:04:31 AM »
Ouch.That is discouraging.I don't think I have seen any reports of the Swifts shooting good in the 6.5 Bee. But it seems like to me that something is broken or loose being all over the place like that.I have had new scopes that were bad.Good luck and hope you get it figured out.
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Re: 6.5-300 Range Day
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2016, 07:07:52 AM »
Weatherby fan, mine shot the 130g just like your's 2inch plus, the 127g about 3/4 inch so don't despair yet. I just got dies so I have not reloaded yet, I will wait until after my deer and elk hunts as I am dialed in now with the 127's
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Re: 6.5-300 Range Day
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2016, 07:09:33 AM »
My 6.5-300 is due to arrive any day now. I hope that it performs better.

Re: 6.5-300 Range Day
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2016, 07:17:57 AM »
I have also had new scopes that would not hold point of impact but my rifle shoots the 130's inconsistent similar to that. Also mine shoots better with a dirty bore.
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Re: 6.5-300 Range Day
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2016, 07:41:53 AM »
Weatherby fan, mine shot the 130g just like your's 2inch plus, the 127g about 3/4 inch so don't despair yet. I just got dies so I have not reloaded yet, I will wait until after my deer and elk hunts as I am dialed in now with the 127's

The factory test target it came with shot the 127gr LRX at .77" , I did buy dies to reload for it but regardless of that it is supposed to shoot MOA or better with factory ammo.

I'm going to try it without the brake, and if still the same Ill swap the scope out and then next step is to try the other 2 factory loads when they show up and go from there.
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Re: 6.5-300 Range Day
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2016, 07:50:49 AM »
My Accumark shot .75 moa with the 127's and not much larger with the 130's.   The point of impact changed by 3-4" at 100yds.  I haven't  seen the 140gr. ammo available yet.   :-)

Re: 6.5-300 Range Day
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2016, 08:25:05 AM »
My Accumark shot .75 moa with the 127's and not much larger with the 130's.   The point of impact changed by 3-4" at 100yds.  I haven't  seen the 140gr. ammo available yet.   :-)

Exactly.....a 2 inch group is one thing but when POI is changing 5 inches to the right ?
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Re: 6.5-300 Range Day
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2016, 08:26:32 AM »
My ULW 6.5-300 Weatherby loved the 127's, haven't had time to try the Scirocos. The 140 a-frame ammo is still on order, hope you can find some 127 LRX ammo to try. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
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Re: 6.5-300 Range Day
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2016, 03:25:00 PM »
Well my gunsmith took it to the range this morning and he had the very same results.......so at least I know its not just me.........!
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Re: 6.5-300 Range Day
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2016, 04:00:41 PM »
I have noticed the same thing about folks using the scirocco loads. Most that I have seen do seem to like the 127 grain Barnes. I really want to try the 140 grain a frames.
At least you know what the rifle doesn't like now.
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Re: 6.5-300 Range Day
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2016, 04:00:41 PM »
I read an article today by Joseph Von Benedikte, in Shooting Times.  He believes Weatherby rifles shoot hard bullets much better then soft cup and core ones because of Weatherby's extended Free Bore   I.E. Barnes tsx ttsx, hornady gmx, Nosler e-tips etc all shoot better out of his rifles. Hopefully that's the case with yours. I am hoping to try my 130's this week. 
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Re: 6.5-300 Range Day
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2016, 05:54:11 PM »
WeatherbyFan 65, I did a quick internet survey on accuracy with Scirocco ammo and it seems your not alone in the accuracy results with that ammo. People have had problems with most all calibers and different rifles. Not all bad reviews, just really mixed results seem to be very common. Here are some comments off of one web site, but there were many to choose from.

"The original Sciroccos I tried worked well as far as bullet perfomance in game animals but I had a hard time to get them to shoot well. I tried them in a 270 and a 300 H&H and never could get a group smaller than 1.75" to 2" no matter what i tried. I've heard the Scirocco 2 is more accurate than the originals but I can't say for sure."

"In my experience they work very similarly to Interbonds when they hit stuff.
I've had mixed results getting Scirocco II's to shoot well. They seem to take more fooling with powder charge and seating depth than most other bullets, and with some boxes I've just never gotten them to shoot well in any rifle. In others they're outstanding; my .243 loves the 90's."

"My experience mirrors Mule Deer's - except that I've never gotten them to shoot well in my 30-06. I've tried both the 165 and 180 gr versions of the .308 Scirocco IIs with the same 1.5 to 2 inch results."

"I am another who has not been successful in getting them to shoot as accurately as other bullets in my 06. As mentioned previously, they are a bit expensive to justify a great deal of load experimentation. Other premium bullets have settled into good accuracy quite quickly while my intial loads with the IIs sort of turned me off to further experimentation."

"The advice given to me when I called the boys out in Quinter, Kansas about loading them for my 264 Win Mag was "don't be afraid to let them jump a little bit". I listened and have been very pleased with performance and accuracy. Slippery and tough... I like that combo sometimes!One of these days, I am going to pull off I70 to see their operation when traveling back in the fall for my annual whitetail and rooster extravaganza."

"It seems that high ogive bullets like VLD's take some tweaking to find the right jump. COAL made all the difference with 90 gr. SSII's in my .240 Wby.
I would think one could do the jump protocol published by Berger on their web site to find the optimal jump accuracy node for these bullets, as well."

Like I said, common mixed results. Some rifles just don't like some ammo brands. It does sound like hand loaders, by experimenting with powders, bullets weights, velocity, and seating, would have a better shot at good accuracy, if they liked the bullet well enough.


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Re: 6.5-300 Range Day
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2016, 08:20:55 PM »
I had no trouble at all to get them to shoot out of the 2 rifles I use them in. I am using the 90 grainer in my .240 WBY and the 130 grain pill in my 6.5x65 RWS. Both rifles love those Scirocco II's, providing consistent 1/2" groups without a fuss...
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Re: 6.5-300 Range Day
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2016, 08:34:40 PM »
Funny my gunsmith said the same thing that the sciroccos being very finicky, he suggested before I do anything rash to try some handloads or other factory offerings........I received my dies so hopefully can get to work on some handloads, but getting the other factory offerings will be a while yet as there not expected up here until the end of October !

« Last Edit: September 22, 2016, 04:22:23 AM by WeatherbyFan 65 »
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