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300 WIN for whitetail?

300 WIN for whitetail?
« on: October 31, 2016, 09:05:33 PM »
I know it can be done and is often. I've got a guy who wants to get into reloading, but I'm not sure where to advise him to start trying for a whitetail load for his 300 WIN. I was thinking 150-165 gr bullets. Does anyone in the Nation use a 300 WIN for whitetail? What bullets do you use and around what velocity to avoid excessive meat loss and/or bullet failure? Of course we'll carefully work up a safe load for his rifle. He's from PA, but will be hunting in GA for size reference on the deer. He also has a 270 WIN already that will work for whitetail sized game, so this is more of a want than a need. Thanks in advance.
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Re: 300 WIN for whitetail?
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2016, 09:23:32 PM »
I inherent a 300 Win in my teens, and until I was in my 20's, it was the only rifle I owned. I used it on everything, from coyotes to elk, with no problems. I reloaded for it from day one, my load was 73 gr IMR 4831, standard Win LR primers, and either the 180gr sierra or nosler solid base soft points. I would recommend using a plain old cup and core 180 gr bullet for deer, you will get less meat damage than the 150's, and deer are not hard to kill, really no need for a super premium bullet.

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Re: 300 WIN for whitetail?
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2016, 09:59:51 PM »
My dad has used his S1 deluxe in 300 win mag for TX whitetail and mule deer for some years now. I know for for the last several he has used 180 Barnes TSX/TTSX. He has had great results, and on all the deer I've been around for that he has taken I have not noticed any excessive meat damage.
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Re: 300 WIN for whitetail?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2016, 05:24:41 AM »
I reload for my 300 H&H, which is maybe 150 fps slower then the 300 Win. I've used 165 gr Nosler partitions for whitetails and black bear with no notice of excessive meat damage.
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Re: 300 WIN for whitetail?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2016, 07:10:04 AM »
Thanks for the input. From the looks of it, there are two sides to this arguement: those who use bullets that will shed weight even on the thin skinned deer, and those who use a super stout bullet that will push straight through. Has anyone tried both? I think I'm leaning traditional bullet over premium; perhaps a Sierra Gameking, Nosler Bonded Performance, Hornady Interlock, or the like. I do love Partitions and load them in my 25-06 and 270 WIN.
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Re: 300 WIN for whitetail?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2016, 08:57:25 AM »
I did use ballistic tips in my 300h&h for a while, and had what I thought was excessive damage. I have been using various Barnes bullets the last 15 years almost exclusively, I did use Accubonds a couple times but didn't harvest anything. The last time I used the partitions was on a cow elk running straight way, it penetrated the full length of her body and exited her neck. My personal choice now is mono bullets, mainly to keep the grandkids from ingesting lead particles. I don't know how much risk there is from the lead, but even a little is to much.
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Re: 300 WIN for whitetail?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2016, 09:49:09 AM »
Pretty sure Dad was using the Interlock for quite awhile before switching over to Barnes. He had no complaints with those either, I believe he just tried the Barnes for the sake of trying, found them to be slightly more accurate at the range out of his particular gun. Once he was satisfied with them as far as game performance goes, I think he stuck with them because he likes to beat me at our 300 yard target competitions we have to pass the time between hunts on slow days. ;D ;D
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Re: 300 WIN for whitetail?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2016, 10:43:29 AM »
I haven't used the barnes in the 300 Win on deer, but I have used the 180 gr TSX in the 300 Wby on whitetail and mule deer. They killed the deer alright, but I wasn't impressed with the lack of expansion on deer, they ran off quite abit before going down. Maybe the ttsx would be better, but I haven't  tried them yet, so I can't say. I still prefer the regular 180gr soft points in any 30 cal mag for deer. It still comes down to whatever your rifle will shoot the best.

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Re: 300 WIN for whitetail?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2016, 10:51:55 AM »
Pretty sure Dad was using the Interlock for quite awhile before switching over to Barnes. He had no complaints with those either, I believe he just tried the Barnes for the sake of trying, found them to be slightly more accurate at the range out of his particular gun. Once he was satisfied with them as far as game performance goes, I think he stuck with them because he likes to beat me at our 300 yard target competitions we have to pass the time between hunts on slow days. ;D ;D

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Re: 300 WIN for whitetail?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2016, 12:19:21 PM »
I settled on the 190 grain Hornady boat tail after trying various weights. The 150's tore up too much meat. The 180's performed flawlessly but I got a good deal on a pile of 190's.

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Re: 300 WIN for whitetail?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2016, 12:39:48 PM »
My experience isn't with the WinMag, but with the Weatherby, running about 150fps faster than the WinMag. But at 200yds, and roughly 2800fps, I got full opening and expansion on a 180gr Nosler E-Tip going corner to corner through a big, mature doe. The bullet went through the left shoulder, the ribcage, and back through the right hip, leaving an impressive wound channel. She dropped in her tracks. After breaking the hip, it stopped right under the skin at the back of her ham. I took it home and cleaned it, and the retained weight was effectively all but the polymer tip.

If I were loading for a 300WinMag, I'd be thinking a 180gr monolith at 3100fps, or a 165gr monolith at something like 3250, I am guessing. And I'd use the tipped version, from whomever I liked. The one I'd like would be the one with the smallest groups from my rifle.
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Re: 300 WIN for whitetail?
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2016, 03:37:18 AM »
180 boat tail hornady interlock product code 3072 works great in mine and my buddys 300 wby for deer (all he has).

Re: 300 WIN for whitetail?
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2016, 07:21:31 PM »
The load I have for my Dad's Pre-Garcia Sako Deluxe is: a Federal  215 primer, 70.0 grains of IMR4350, and a 180 grain Nosler Partition.   I also used this load and tried it with the Nosler Ballistic Tips and they have the same impact point as the Partitions.  Out of Dad's rifle this load will give half inch five shot groups.  He's uses the Partitions for hunting and has never had any excessive damage or lost a deer with it.
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Re: 300 WIN for whitetail?
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2016, 06:19:42 PM »
I have had good luck with the 180 Nosler with my 300 mag..Many hunters hunting around us have said you have way too big of a caliber for deer.I say I have two nice bucks with a clean shot.It was also a 1969 Markv left hand with 2 box's of shells I could not turn up. I can go to 220's for other game but I think 180's are great.

Re: 300 WIN for whitetail?
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2016, 10:17:02 PM »
Been using Barnes TTSX 165 gr on white tails with excellent results. I recently got a lot of them on closeout through Midway as well. I plan to take my 300WM on my Elk hunt next year and I think I might step up to a 180 gr or possibly even a 200 gr for that hunt. I agree that the 300WM is a bit much for white tail deer but it works well on pretty much anything in NA.