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« on: May 08, 2018, 08:35:49 AM »
I have 150 Speer .355" (9mm) 125gr. soft point bullets that I can't find listed in any of their manuals starting with 15 and going back to 12 for any 9mm. I was intending to load them for my 357 SIG.  I just sent them a email asking about the bullets. I'll see how long it takes them to respond.  :)

Re: Speer
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2018, 09:38:42 AM »
Impressive! They responded in about a hour. The bullet in question is cup and core and everything they use now is plated. They have no info for this bullet in  357 SIG. I do load 9mm, so that is my next question for them.  :)

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2018, 09:57:47 AM »
Almost instant response! This particular bullet dates back to Speer Manual 10 or 11, which they cannot give load info from as they only go back to 12, which I have.  ;D

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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2018, 10:07:02 AM »
If they are .355 dia  and nose profiled for handguns most likely 9mm of some type,  the 357 sig wasn't even dreamed of back then.   What is the part number on the box if you have the original packaging ?  Always best to measure diameter and weigh then verify with the bullet company to make sure if unknown.  Probably the main reason not giving out load data is changes in powders/primers,  bullet jacket hardness, core hardness, etc.  load data is based on what components and weapons being tested. 
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2018, 10:23:16 AM »
Yes, they are .355 . Part # is 4005. Apparently this bullet predates the 357 SIG, 1993?  I have a box and 1/2 , both in factory boxes, one is sealed. I have loaded and shot a few in 9mm using Unique powder.  The bullet is not listed in #12 for any 9mm round. #13 is the first one listing the 357 SIG. My first load in 9mm dates to 2014, no telling how long I've had them or where I got them from. BTW, my Glock 19 shot this bullet pretty well with 5.0gr of Unique according to my notes from 2014!    :)
« Last Edit: May 08, 2018, 11:09:57 AM by badsection »

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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2018, 12:41:22 PM »
badsection, here is a scan out of my speer#11 manual, of 9mm and the 125gr sp  8)

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Re: Speer
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2018, 12:58:35 PM »
Thank You!  My 5.0gr of Unique fits in there as a light start load!   ;D
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2018, 04:42:23 PM »
for the TMJ, 452AA powder lmao still have close to 6 pounds of that. 5.4gr  200gr lead .45 works great!

Re: Speer
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2018, 02:11:57 PM »
I'm going to load this bullet with AutoComp in 9mm  tomorrow after comparing load info.  :)

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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2018, 06:08:26 PM »
Bad, will 5.0 of Unique, will this load be enough to cycle the slide?  That is something you also need to take into consideration.  ;D

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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2018, 01:44:53 AM »
http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol use this for your stating point.

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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2018, 03:50:48 AM »
Bad, will 5.0 of Unique, will this load be enough to cycle the slide?  That is something you also need to take into consideration.  ;D
It did work fine. I'm sure I didn't single load them, so the slide functioned. That is a load I used 4 years ago. I have no idea where I got that load info from. My notes say it was accurate. I have 10 rounds left of it from 2/11/14   :)
« Last Edit: May 10, 2018, 04:25:11 AM by badsection »

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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2018, 06:02:39 AM »
Being that old the bullet jacket and brass case could have oxidized causing them to weld together raising the breach pressure. Seen this happen in rifle ammo.
Place one in your press and readjust the seating die just enough ( .0010 ) to break the seal if you hear a little cracking or popping sound then they have welded. This is not dangerous except in full house loads and the main reason I don't load large amounts of ammo and store it for long periods of time. The factory ammo we buy has a coating on it to keep it from tarnishing and prevents this from happening.
TD

Re: Speer
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2018, 06:28:05 AM »
http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol use this for your stating point.
 
Thanks, I have all the current manuals except Woodleigh, including Hogdon's  2018 .  The start load for the 124gr. bullets in Speer #14 is 5.2gr. of Unique, so my 5.0 gr is not that far out of line.  The loads in the older manuals look a bit higher than current info.  TD, I very seldom get to max loads on any round I load.  I have been loading a lot lately, just to keep busy. Yesterday, I loaded some 303 Brit with 180gr. Sierra's.   ;D

Re: Speer
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2018, 02:10:21 PM »
Loaded the last 40 in that box(thought it was more) using AutoComp. I have most of 2 1lb. containers of that on hand. My next project is loading 165gr. plated Ranier bullets using a unopened container of 3N38 in 40S&W.   :)