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A little info on the Nagasaki mission, seventy three years ago today

As I had posted the other day, the planning for these two missions was unbelievable.  In the Nagasaki book I had, it told of how the radio frequencies were changed every few minutes, to confuse any Japanese listening to the airwaves.  And the Army had so many redundant "Plan B" and "Plan C" and so forth.  Several trained crews for each plane, and they were swapable.  And there were a group of planes for each mission, each plane with a specific purpose of, weather analysis, observation, etc.  And we knew that the two bombs were different, but I did not know that one was uranium based and the other was plutonium based.  The scientists wanted to see which worked "better."  And we had the "makings" for a third bomb at Tinian, in case one more bomb had to be assembled, or if one of the first two was a dud.  That has been disputed though.
 I have included two links, if you are bored and want to check them out.  MM
https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world-war-two/the-pacific-war-1941-to-1945/the-bombing-of-nagasaki/

https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/hiroshima-and-nagasaki-missions-planes-crews

Re: A little info on the Nagasaki mission, seventy three years ago today
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2018, 04:32:44 AM »
Lots of good info, thanks M M!

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Re: A little info on the Nagasaki mission, seventy three years ago today
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2018, 03:59:38 PM »
My Uncle Gordy was a backup navigator for both Atomic bomb flights. Wish he would of talked more about his service.
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Re: A little info on the Nagasaki mission, seventy three years ago today
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2018, 05:00:22 PM »
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Re: A little info on the Nagasaki mission, seventy three years ago today
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2018, 06:25:33 PM »
I had the honor of talking to a friend of my wife's family.  He was in his 80s and writing his memoirs.  He was having a heck of a time because he worked on the Manhattan Project.  He holds several patents that today are still classified.  He wanted to pass down his life story to his family but there was so much of it he could still not talk about.  He was recruited right out of MIT by the government and set to work on finding ways to refine uranium and other nuclear elements.  As a young college graduate, he was naive to think that it was working towards solutions for nuclear power and had no idea he was working on the atomic bomb. 

It's so sad that so many from the 'greatest generation' are gone or going.  Dr. Dave has been gone for years now but I still tell his stories.

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Re: A little info on the Nagasaki mission, seventy three years ago today
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2018, 09:08:33 PM »
It's so sad that so many from the 'greatest generation' are gone or going.  Dr. Dave has been gone for years now but I still tell his stories.

That really is the sad part, as stats show that there are now over 1000 veterans of the greatest generation passing away per day. First hand accounts are critical, if history is to be recorded accurately. One of the reasons that the series "Band of Brothers" was successful was that they used veterans of the war to tell short stories of the battles that they were actually a part of and how some of the stories still made them tearful talking about all that they saw and the friends they lost. That was truly a generation of men with courage.
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