From what I have read, they are on the top shelf of "custom" rifle makers. Were they the ones extolling the virtues of their wildcat 6.5, based on the .257 Weatherby case, complete with a Venturi shoulder. Or was that someone else. There IS a custom builder in the College Station, TX area that also promotes that wildcat, but it was developed by one of the top tier custom builders a number of years ago. MM