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I think I know why they call them accu..bombs

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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2018, 09:50:07 AM »
Interesting thread. I've been shooting 100 grain Ballistic tips at deer for over 25 years in my .257's and I can't recall one deer that wasn't DRT?? Ranges were from 100-450 yards. I try to shoot through both shoulders when possible. Deer can't run away with their front axle broke.  ;D Usually there is a significant exit wound through the far shoulder.

I'm looking at reloading for my 257 Roy in the very near future. Based on what I've read I'm a bit hesitant to load 115 Ballistic Tips as there's a real chance my shot will be well within 100 yards. I have to admit your experiences with the 100 grain has me rethinking the 115...

Re: I think I know why they call them accu..bombs
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2018, 07:52:34 AM »
Shot a nice 8-point buck with my 257 Weatherby and 110 grain accubond. It was a front on shot a little to the right and I hit him in the left shoulder at 100 yds. The bullet blew up and left a grapefruit-sized crater in his shoulder. I think I am done with the accubond my son has had the same problem. Anybody see a problem with my setup or anybody had a problem similar???
Light bullet @ high velocity @ short range = large wound.  Who would expect anything different?

Its also been my experience that high velocity bullets that hit bones also result in large wound channels.

The first elk that I shot with my [then] new .300 Weatherby was a bull that I shot just behind his front shoulder.  He was standing broadside about 100 yards away.  The 168 grain TSX bullet made a .30 caliber entrance hole, shredded the lungs, and left a 1" exit hole behind his off shoulder.

The next elk that I shot with that rifle was another bull that was standing quartering to me, also about 100 yards away.  Even though I knew better, I put a 168 grain TTSX bullet in the center of his shoulder.  The bullet shattered the top of his upper front leg bone, bloodshot about half of his shoulder meat, then shredded the top half of one lung, passed through his stomach, and lodged in his off side ham.

Both of those bullets had a muzzle velocity of about 3250 fps, and were shot at about the same range.  Both bulls died within a few yards of where they were shot.  There was almost no meat loss on the first bull, but almost half of one shoulder was lost on the second bull.
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Re: I think I know why they call them accu..bombs
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2018, 09:07:36 AM »
The humane killing of a bullet should be the 1st thing considered.Losing some meat to a quick kill should be maybe your 10th consideration.
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Re: I think I know why they call them accu..bombs
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2018, 10:16:00 AM »
The humane killing of a bullet should be the 1st thing considered.Losing some meat to a quick kill should be maybe your 10th consideration.

+1. If you are not hunting for subsistence then try to avoid taking a shot that you're unsure of. It's a hard thing to do sometimes so I'll just leave it at that.

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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2018, 05:22:52 AM »
Ok, ill try to re-explain. The bullet hit the shoulder and fragged. No huge wpund channel just a grapefruit sized hole about 2 in deep. Personally i dont care abput meat loss. Just me. If I'm looking for meat id shoot does. As I said before one peice of the bullet traveled down outside of ribcage into back leg. After trailing for atleast 800yds I had to shoot again 2x in its bed. And YES I definitely would pass on a frontal shot if I could do it again

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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2018, 07:25:49 AM »
Like wise, I'm having troubles with 123 sst's and going to quit using them in my swede. They grenade at 100yds. Shot a whitetail and it looked like there was a cherry bomb implanted . Shot mid lungs and what a stink it got back to the guts when it blew up. Are interbonds any better?

Re: I think I know why they call them accu..bombs
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2018, 08:15:39 AM »
Ive heard they are supposed to hold together. Same design I think. I'm going to barnes ttsx or partitions in my 257 and 7mm wby

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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2018, 07:56:42 AM »
Several years ago I was having an old Savage 99 rechambered to .250 A I and I found that rifle would put 3 shots well under an inch with Barnes 80 gr TTSX.  Concerned about expansion with a solid I e-mailed Barnes bullets.  Fred Barnes answered me saying that it would expand reliably down to 1800 fps.  My load with that 80 grain TTSX consisted of 41 gr of RE-15 and according to my chrony the MV was right at 3300 fps.  So far I have killed 6 goats with that load and haven't recovered a bullet.

Barnes bullets like a clean barrel.  So far Bore Tech CU 2 keeps all my barrels clean and and accuracy problems are nil.

I also shoot the 150 TTSx out of my .300 Wby using 88 gr of 7828SSC.
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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2018, 09:54:12 AM »
Do you have any guess as to the MV at 200 yards?Do you know how far out it takes your bullet to go under 1800FPS with your particular load?I'm interested,because I've always wanted to turn a Varmintmaster into a 250 Savage.I'm on the fence about going with the AI version.Also wondering about the velocity differences between 20,22,or 24 inch barrels if you could help with any info I'd be thankful.I'm thinking about a 22 inch barrel.I don't think I would shoot anything over 200 yards either.Main use would be a carry all the time rifle.Truck,UTV,walking.A utility rifle really with a little more thump than the 224 Weatherby Magnum.
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Re: I think I know why they call them accu..bombs
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2018, 10:52:54 AM »
Tom:You should easily get 3000 fps with a 22 inch barrel with the 250 Savage. Although I am not too sure on how they will open up at 1800 fps.Though I might have to kick you in the butt if you turn a 224 VarmintMaster into a 250 Savage. lol Data from ballistic chart
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Re: I think I know why they call them accu..bombs
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2018, 11:46:13 AM »
Looks like I'm good to go with this to 200 yards.2400fps and over a 1000 foot pounds of energy.That ought to open the petals of the Barnes 80 grain I'd think.

Already have the rifle and scope I'm going to use.Just need to get a barrel with the same contour as the 24 inch Varmintmaster.Then find a smith to do it.I'm wondering if Weatherby's custom shop could get her done for me?
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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2018, 01:10:36 PM »
I'd try Shilen from my experiences.
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« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2018, 03:31:21 PM »
Shilen is a good choice as well as Bartlein. I think Weatherby may have used both at one time. I think Weatherby has teamed up with Krieger on some barrels now so that might be another option. Most all of them are 4-6 months wait including Weatherby based on my last conversation with them. They're all excellent. If it was me, I would go with one that is stress relieved so that it doesn't get wonky when it's hot. Cryogenic stress relief seems to the be the current trend.

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Re: I think I know why they call them accu..bombs
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2018, 03:52:13 PM »
The name came from a 87 grain bullet at 3000 fps / 250-3000 savage
I was getting 3000 with a 100 grain Speer bullet in a model 99 with a 24" barrel
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Re: I think I know why they call them accu..bombs
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2018, 04:11:17 PM »
My '99 is a 1970's version with the tang safety.  It is a carbine with a 20 in bbl.  My gunsmith set the bbl back one thread when he rechambered it.  Barnes e-mail also stated that with a 3300 MV it would expand reliably at 500+ yds.  I don't expect to shoot at anything at that range.

Friends at the local sportsman's club say I'm leaving at least another 100 fps on the table but it shoots so good I'm leaving it where it is.
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