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2 piece picatinny rail?

2 piece picatinny rail?
« on: December 27, 2018, 07:34:10 AM »
I have tried the talleys on my new Vanguard S2 with the new Leupold vx freedom 4-1240. I like tge scope but it is too short. The rings push up to the front bell. After a few tries, I realize that I NEED to be able to move a scope forward just a little. I have high cheekbones and my comfortable cheek weld puts me to far foward.

Included pic of the current set-up.
Also B distance in 2nd pic is 5.16 inches.

I really don't want a full rail since I figure it is a bit more of a pita to load.

I am strongly looking at the Burris 2 piece picatinny rail. Found here...
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/965194/burris-2-piece-xtreme-tactical-scope-base-picatinny-style-matte


Matched with these Leaper utg pro 1" rings:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018590022/leapers-utg-pro-precision-optics-interface-poi-picatinny-style-rings-matte

How much adjustment is available on the 2 piece picatinny? (for those that have one)

The leapers I like but theyare 20mm wide which is wider than the talleys and thus limiting my wiggle room.
Any ideas for a SOLID picatinny ring that is a little more narrow?
It's a 7mm Rem Mag, so I would like something capable of holding the scope in place and I don't have to have lapped.

I have contemplated the DNZ one piece. It is about 4.6 in in length and the connecting piece is narrower than a picatinny rail.

Final solution will be a different scope...

Re: 2 piece picatinny rail?
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2018, 08:33:09 AM »
Actually, I will probably get the full rail.

Those who have a full rail or even the DNZ, what is your experience with loading the cartridges?

Thanks!

Re: 2 piece picatinny rail?
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2018, 11:14:09 AM »
I have a DNZ and it is a small pain.You can get used to it tho.That said I have not bought another one.
Roger
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Re: 2 piece picatinny rail?
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2018, 11:39:54 AM »
Actually, I will probably get the full rail.

Those who have a full rail or even the DNZ, what is your experience with loading the cartridges?

Thanks!



I use the Night Force one piece Picatinny rails on my Vanguard S2's with Seekins Precision Picatinny high rings. I have no problems loading the rifles.
Mark V Deluxe .257,6.5-300,300
Mark V Tactical 338 Lapua, .308
Tikka T3x Light 22-250
Ber B-14 HMR 6.5 CM
Marlin 1895 SBL 45-70
Win 94 30-30
AR-15 Match 5.56
AR-15 Match Wylde .223
AR-10 Match .308
WASR-10/63 AK47 7.62x57
Russian SKS 7.62x57
Turkish Mauser 8mm
UZI Mini Pistol 9mm
Barrett M82A1 50BMG

Re: 2 piece picatinny rail?
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2018, 01:06:51 PM »
Someone else recommended the one piece knightforce picatinny and a leapers rings.

I just wanted to keep it as open as possible.

I have heard some are having issues with Leupold bases/rings? What has been the problem...if there is any?

I left them out of the equation because of that and plus, their website navigation sucks....

But looking at this picture I am attaching. The rear ring and base is further forward and would allow for the scope to be placed farther foward. That should work.

Anyone have issues with leupold mounts?
Edit - I would go with the dual dovetail rather than a windage.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2018, 01:11:18 PM by North to Alaska »

Re: 2 piece picatinny rail?
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2018, 02:32:07 PM »

Choosing the right scope mounting system can be a daunting task. You didn't say what caliber your new S2 is and this is important. The Leupold STD (standard) single dovetail bases with windage adjustment and rings are rated for calibers with recoil less than 300 Win Mag. The dual dovetails are rated for 300 win mag and up. My experience say's that the difference is in the screw size that they are drilled for and the screws that are included in the package. Packaging seems to indicate that they are for Mark V rifles. That instills enough doubt in my mind that I would not purchase them for a Vanguard.


Mounting a dual or single dovetail system cannot be done correctly without a set of dead centers to align them. I also find that lapping is often necessary in order to get at least 80% ring to scope tube contact. Wheeler Engineering sells a complete kit that will allow you to do all that but if you're not doing several rifles it's hardly worth the cost.


The other drawback is that you do not have the ability to return to zero with these mounts. With the Picatinny style base and rings the scope can be removed while the rifle is in transit and then put back on without affecting zero. When I'm on my quad, side by side or in my jeep, my scopes come off. They go back on in an instant and I'm ready to shoot. I've damaged scopes in transit and it ends the hunt right then and there.


There are a lot of other options out there besides Night Force, Seekins and Leupold and I have several of them in boxes on the shelves of my gun room. The Night Force and Seekins combination works consistently enough for me to not have a problem recommending them.
Mark V Deluxe .257,6.5-300,300
Mark V Tactical 338 Lapua, .308
Tikka T3x Light 22-250
Ber B-14 HMR 6.5 CM
Marlin 1895 SBL 45-70
Win 94 30-30
AR-15 Match 5.56
AR-15 Match Wylde .223
AR-10 Match .308
WASR-10/63 AK47 7.62x57
Russian SKS 7.62x57
Turkish Mauser 8mm
UZI Mini Pistol 9mm
Barrett M82A1 50BMG

Re: 2 piece picatinny rail?
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2018, 03:01:16 PM »
7mm Rem Mag. It was burried deep in my original post.😜

I have to check prices on the wheeler set. I gave 3 rifles that will have 1" tubes I can use it on. Watched a video on lapping and aligning...I think I may want to do that.

I have since discovered that talley also makes extended rings that may work well.
However i have read that lapping alluminum may not work?... More research.

Edit-just discovered that I need aluminium oxide compound to lap alluminum rings.
And the extended talleys are front only which doesn't do me any good.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2018, 03:51:54 PM by North to Alaska »

.257

Re: 2 piece picatinny rail?
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2018, 05:02:06 PM »
Get a nightforce rail and rings. No need to lap, and loading your shells is not a problem

Re: 2 piece picatinny rail?
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2018, 10:14:03 PM »
Knightforce does not make 1" rings. 😶

.257

Re: 2 piece picatinny rail?
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2018, 05:08:40 AM »
Oh sorry didn't see you had a 1" scope

Re: 2 piece picatinny rail?
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2019, 09:10:30 PM »
Just wanted to update this thread for those stuck with the same problem.
I ended up with the Leupold dovetails. Works very well with the Leupold Freedom 4-12 x 40 scope. Got low rings which gives  the lowest fit possible with my rifle.

I am able to have more room to place the scope in the best position for me.
Really like the scope.

I have not had much chance to shoot it yet....so busy with the kids.

Re: 2 piece picatinny rail?
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2019, 09:13:59 PM »
More pics
« Last Edit: September 05, 2019, 01:49:40 AM by North to Alaska »

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Re: 2 piece picatinny rail?
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2019, 10:19:38 AM »
Rig looks good!
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Re: 2 piece picatinny rail?
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2019, 09:25:33 AM »
Thank you!