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New products for 2019?

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Re: New products for 2019?
« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2019, 10:33:58 AM »
Forgot to mention earlier, but I'm all in favor of a bit faster twist.  A 10-twist works fine for most stuff, but (especially as bore size decreases) moving a 8 or 9 (or even 7?) would really offer the ability to stabilize longer VLD-style bullets.
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Re: New products for 2019?
« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2019, 10:56:53 AM »
The 270-300 has been a wildcat for a long time. Velocities are likely to show a 150-200fps gain, I'd guess, but that's just an off-the-cuff guess and could be underestimating. Development would be relatively easy. But barrel life would be pretty tight. Derrill had one for a while as did another friend of mine. Both of them sent the rifle down the road after a time as it was a pain to form cases and such, and the barrel erosion came on pretty quickly. With factory support, the forming part would be addressed with proper brass, so then it's just erosion. I'm still not sure the return is there on these really overbore cases, but that's just me.



So what I'm getting out of your post is it's a barrel eater.If it's a barrel eater then wouldn't the 6.5-300 even be harder on throats than the 27-300?As we discussed this earlier all that had the 6.5-300 were looking at 8-900 rounds.I could live with that,but if it's more like 400 then there are gonna be lots of 6.5-300s for sale in 4 or 5 years.You could very easily use up half your barrel life developing loads and practicing long distance shots.

I would like to hear what Adam has to say about it.They have bound to have done some testing.
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Re: New products for 2019?
« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2019, 11:21:00 AM »
Oh, based on what I know of the 7mmRUM and the 270-300 and 257-300, my guess is 800rds is pretty generous for the 6.5-300.  The 270-300 is similar though perhaps ever so slightly longer lived (it's really close in bore diameter, and I would assume very close in case volume).  And yes, I suspect we will see a gaggle of these 6.5-300s for sale in about 3-4yrs, as the barrels begin to erode and the bloom comes off the rose.  Watch the used racks and I suspect you'll see it happen pretty obviously.
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Re: New products for 2019?
« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2019, 11:37:23 AM »
All that being said, I assume we'll be seeing .26 and .28 Noslers on the used racks even sooner.

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Re: New products for 2019?
« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2019, 12:59:21 PM »
I would like to see how many rounds it would take before a 6.5-300 wasn't useful enough for big game.
I bought a 264 win mag model 70 new. Logged all rounds fired, at 5000 it had lost velocity, 150 fps and the groups were 1 1/2-2" rather than the 3/4" groups when new.
Friend just had to have it and knew the rifle and the round count. To this day he still shoots his deer and antelope with that gun every year and loves it. I sold it to him in the mid- 80's
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Have no idea what the velocity or group size is, but  obviously it's good enough because it still works.
Have a friend which shoots long range target and hunting. When shooting long range the barrel does get hot!! Had to replace a .260 Rem at 4000 rounds. There was little if any rifling in the first 3 inches. No one could figure out how it shoot as good as it was
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Re: New products for 2019?
« Reply #50 on: January 09, 2019, 01:40:27 PM »
Well, for most deer hunting, anything which will shoot 4MOA or better out to 200yds will do the trick.  Heck, for better than 95% (guessing, but pretty comfortable with that guess) of shots on deer, 8MOA at 100yds would suffice.

But to the points made, yes, there's a difference between useful barrel life and barrel life with peak precision.  And some barrels just shoot well regardless of condition, while some are pristine and couldn't shoot well to save your life.  But for the folks chasing these new 6.5s and others for the idea of long range shooting, it's going to be a rude awakening to learn their rifle won't put 10 shots into 30" at 1000yds after just several hundred rounds.

As for the 26 and 28 Nosler rounds, I've already seen the first of each on a local used rack.  I suspect those will show up a year to 18mo before the 6.5-300 does, en masse, which is really what we're talking about here.  The real issue for those will be what 7mmRUM (and all the SAUM rounds) shooters are facing now, which is brass and ammo availability.  If you buy a rifle chambered in any of the Nosler cartridges, the smart play is to buy 500rds of brass when you do.
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Re: New products for 2019?
« Reply #51 on: January 09, 2019, 04:09:34 PM »
I bought my 6.5-300 strictly for hunting, no desire to plink with a round that burns 90g of powder at every pull of the trigger.
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Re: New products for 2019?
« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2019, 04:29:43 PM »
I bought my 6.5-300 strictly for hunting, no desire to plink with a round that burns 90g of powder at every pull of the trigger.

I think the  majority of 6.5-300, 26 and 28 Nosler owners are just like you, bought them for hunting.

Mike

Re: New products for 2019?
« Reply #53 on: January 09, 2019, 07:24:56 PM »
I bought my 6.5-300 strictly for hunting, no desire to plink with a round that burns 90g of powder at every pull of the trigger.

Then you'd really hate to shoot my .338-378 Weatherby Magnum since I'm using the minimum load and it's 112.0 grains.  My line of thinking is powder is cheap and life is too damn short not to enjoy it to the fullest.  If I have to rebarrel it no big deal, I bought it to shoot and have fun with it.
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Re: New products for 2019?
« Reply #54 on: January 09, 2019, 09:31:33 PM »
If I buy 500 6.5-300 brass and I only get 750-800 shots from a barell then I want even get to shoot all 500 brass twice. ;D
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Re: New products for 2019?
« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2019, 03:18:37 AM »
If I buy 500 6.5-300 brass and I only get 750-800 shots from a barell then I want even get to shoot all 500 brass twice. ;D

When you buy brass, order 3 more barrels to use the brass in  ;D ;D
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Re: New products for 2019?
« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2019, 04:33:08 AM »
Ironic but good point, Roger. My standard for any off the map brass is buy a lot of 500. That let's you cull the heavies and the lights, and use the brass which is consistent. But maybe for these burners, 250 would suffice. It would definitely take a second barrel to get two firings out of all 500, if you're trying to shoot out at longer ranges.
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Re: New products for 2019?
« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2019, 04:42:02 AM »
I have a 28 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherby...in addition to several other “fast” cartridges. If any of the high velocity rifles were the only rifle I owned...that might be a problem.

I have enough of them...I can easily spread the wear. I doubt I’ll shoot out a barrel in a rifle for the rest of my life.

While a new barrel isn’t necessarily “cheap”, it isn’t that big of a deal. You should be able to find a gunsmith that will do the labor for ~ $200 in addition to the cost of the barrel (depending on bluing, stainless, coatings, etc...).
JK

Re: New products for 2019?
« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2019, 06:35:22 AM »
All the ideas for new calibers look pretty good. I was thinking more along the practical lines. The only Weatherby calibers I have so far are great, but with the velocity and power they have, and the new longer range high ballistic, bullets available, it would be nice to tighten some of the twists. How about 1:8 for the 240, 1:9 for 257 & 270, etc. even if they only offer it in a custom shop option?

I was thinking along the same lines. KCR 7mm wby mag with 1:8.5 twist, Sheridan Wyoming

I agree, specially the 7mm Wby, it should have at least a 1:9 twist or faster.

Rob
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Re: New products for 2019?
« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2019, 04:58:36 PM »
I'm with catskinner. A couple versions of the Vanguard chambered for 7mm Weatherby with 1/9 twist or faster. First Lite or Accuguard. Same rifles in 270 Weatherby. Get back to basics.