Best $58 bucks I've spent in a long time

[zoniezonie]

We were talking about endo/bore scopes and the bore snake came up in the conversation so I did  a little reading on these new little flexible shaft bore scopes.  I nixed the bore snake because I wanted a 90 degree camera and ended up buying on E bay a Teslong NGT100 V2 ,  0.2 " diameter with a 48 " cable.  We were talking about having a unit that came with it's own screen as not to go thru the hassle of trying to figure out how to download the apps to make the non screen bore scope versions work on your computer and android phones.  So I pulled the trigger and bought the non screen version because it was cheaper and I didn't want to throw away money on something I didn't like. Boy was I surprised  it was simple to set up for a non computer person like myself.  plugged in the borescopes USB  my computer with USB 3.0 ports and windows 10.  Instructions with the unit are pretty basic.  Now it's loaded on my computer and when I get the nerve I'm going to install it on my Andriod Phone or have some one better with these new phones help me out.  I don't think this unit is set up for I Phones yet maybe I wrong.  Anyway I thought my 300 wby was copper fouling clean as a whistle,  I don't think so I could plainly see the fouling in the bore,   not much copper but enough to see I was not getting 100 percent of the copper out either.  Some heat checking in the throat area and some other not so good metal heat fatigued.   It's a little hard to get use to a flexible shaft instead of the rigid types, but for 58 bucks I can live with it. 

[Grouchy]

Pretty cool! 

[TexWeatherby]

Sounds like a great tool to have in your box.

[TN Grouser]

How about some screen shots. : )

[grizzly340]

Cool Ron so you were the Ginny Pig.
I will check it out.

[zoniezonie]

Griz I just got back from town buying the Patch out Accelerator,  I haven't used it yet.  Yesterday I had a very slight trace of Copper fouling after I had tried Patch out for the first time I only let it sit for 30 minutes.  Today I decided to try Patch out again and let it sit for 3 hrs or so while going to town.  Got back and ran 3 patches thru the bore on this trace Copper fouling 1 st patch slight tinge of blue , 2 nd patch totally white,  third patch for good measure totally white,  4 patch Alcohol only to get rid of any remaining Patch out.  Took the bore scope out AMAZING no copper at all.  Bore is in pretty good shape for as many rounds have been shot thru it.  Tslong does make a 26 " rigid tube for about double the price $ 138  bucks give or take.   I mention this only because with the flexible tube like I bought I can use the scope for other non firearm inspections otherwise the rigid tube for firearms would probably be a better way to inspect,  either way you have to rotate the tube  in your fingers to match up with the rifling twist of the barrel itself while inserting farther down the barrel bore which is OK I's kind of how you would have to inspect anyway.  I inspected my old 96 Mauser in 6.5x55,   OMG  the bore looks like it had been sitting in salt water pitted, corroded, rusted, copper fouled, and everything else,  but  I knew this when I bought the rifle years ago, it's over a hundred year old rifle that has seen who knows how many corrosive rounds thru it and it still shoots sub-moa with 140 Bergers.  The these old military rifles have grooves that I'll bet are .010"  deep so the bullet has a lot to grab on to and not doubt why it still shoots.  If this bore scope lasts a year it will be money well spent.  I did try to download the App to my Android Phone,  no luck, but the screen on my computer is way better anyway which I have it set up with.   That Patch out is well worth the money  and a lot less work,  I didn't try it on any really fouled bores but first impression it's going to do just fine IMO,   The Patch out Accelerator haven't tried yet.  One thing about this bore scope you can take the 90 degree mirror off if you want and look down the barrel , and get a over view ,  put the 90 degree mirror angle  back on which you need to get down to the nitty gritty of your inspection.  I spend 60 bucks on just BS stuff that has little to no use other than it might be a good steak for the wife and I.   I really like being able to actually see the bore

[grizzly340]

Thanks Zonie.
Sorry just now seeing this. I have the same scope saved on my e bay. I will go ahead and buy it.
The patch out does work. It's the only one I have used until there is no blue on the patch. 
But my match rifle took more work than I would have thought after only 25 shots. Of a mild load .223 but it did come clean. I found that the nylon brush helps speed up the process.  Let me know how the accelerator works.
I wonder if you can leave it in over night too.

[zoniezonie]

Griz,   I'm not sure on the accelerator yet  and I just bought a bottle of wipe out tactical advantage bore cleaner.   I did use patch out on 4 rifles, 2 cro-mo barrels and  2 stainless barrels.  The patch out worked excellent in the Chrome Moly barrels with or with out the accelerator,  the stainless barrels I'm a little leary using the Accelerator it seemed like I either didn't get as much carbon out especially in the rough leade area and the barrel groves and parts of the lands became almost burnished/shiny black. most of the copper fouling was clearly visible in light streaks mostly at or near the end of the barrel , not so much copper fouling  towards the chamber on the 4 rifles I've cleaned so far.  they are all clean now from copper fouling. I'm still worried about the carbon fouling.  I did leave the more carbon fouled  one stainless and cro-mo barrels sit over night with the Accelerator and I think I would have better off just using straight Patch out and no try and be so aggressive and leaving it sit over night, the solution dried out stuck in the barrel, to be expected I guess.   I'll probably try their Tactical advantage bore cleaner  tomorrow and see if it take the carbon fouling out.  I did have to play with the adjustable mirror length a little on different bore diameters to get the scope in focus and as clear as possible and it says to do that in the manual anyway.  I'm running out of KG 12 so I'll try and order some in the next week or so.  one of the rifles a Kimber Montana stainless with very little rounds shot thru it 308 caliber and not an overly hot loads showed heat checking just foreward of the chamber and leade to where the rifling starts.  After looking at these 4 barrels rather closely there's a lot of manufacturing imperfections in all of these barrels, granted none are match grade barrels just straight off the shelf hunting rifles.  The patch-out bottle says you can leave the accelerator over night the #2 method,  the Accelerator bottle doesn't say a little vague,  I did leave overnight with the Accelerator/patch out combo and I probably won't do it again and if I have to leave one sit over night I'll just use the patch-out., or if I'm just screwing around during the day I will try the Accelerator / patchout combo  for maybe a hour or so until I get a little more comfortable with it.  One thing I did notice on stainless barrel 257 which I've shot a lot with pretty hot loads I can actually feel the drag on the cotton patch just fore ward in the chamber / leade area.  The drag on the patch lessens as the patch moves fore ward past the heat checked area in the barrel.  The rifle still shoots 3 shot 1/2 to 3/4 " on any given day, I really shouldn't be too surprised I've shot that rifle to death. 

[grizzly340]

All good observations Zonie.
I will have to journal some of that stuff.
I just now started running patch out in my m1 carbine. It's an old inland. And I know I have never tried to remove the copper from it. I'm thinking  I'm in for A fight. But I won't wait to throw the brush to it.
Wish I could have seen it with the bore scope before I started.

[zoniezonie]

Griz if you seen that old 96 Mauser of mine in 6.5x55 ,   I knew it was pitted from the day I bought it, but with a bore scope to actually see inside of the barrel OMG came to mind ,  it's far worst than I knew.  I honestly don't know how it shoots as good as it does just from looking at the barrel inside. An old child hood friends father they own Magma Engineering  (high speed bullet casting machines) and other stuff.  The dad now gone was an old time shooter he told me don't worry about how the barrel looks just go shoot it and see what it will do and he was absolutely right.   My advice to anyone that thinks their barrels looks terrible inside might want to go shoot it and see what it does.  If it's a competition gun well a re-barrel is probably in order, but for a hunting / just having fun rifle and it still shoots half way decent just shoot it until it doesn't then re-barrel it if a person wants.  I'm not even going to bother trying to scrub everything I can out of that old barrel, I might end up doing more damage. 

[grizzly340]

Yes that's what they say about old transmissions. Don't change the fluid. Might be better off to leave it alone.
My old carbine dosent seem so bad. I must have cleaned it pretty good before putting it away.
My bore scope will be here in a week.

[grizzly340]

I can't believe my bore scope was at my door in under 48 hrs. It said deliver by 6 /22  here it is on the 16th.
Well Zonie just like you said. Easy to use and get to the web site. Very clear view. I checked the throat on my match rifle. Looks good all the way to the Muzzel. And no trace of copper.
Checked out a used Ruger MK II pistol I bought used. It looks good as well.
Your right. Best 58 bucks I have spent on A long time.

[zoniezonie]

Griz glad you like it !  It's well worth the $ 58 bucks.   Still getting use to mine,   I've been going thru a bunch of patches and had to order some more just cleaning rifles.  I'm doing a 458 Win mag right now  the rifle hasn't been shot a lot and other than a slight smearing of copper at the muzzle end the barrel looks in good shape.    I can already tell this is going to be part of my cleaning regiment making sure no copper is in the barrel when I put the gun up for awhile.   If I'm hunting with any of our rifles I may not clean the rifle for a year or so,  it doesn't get shot very much during hunting seasons other than verifying zero.   

[grizzly340]

I'm the same way. If I'm testing bullets I don't clean them between test. Because I don't shoot more than 2 - 3 shot groups at A time. I like the barrel cold. But after I will at least clean the carbon out. Copper was more of A winter project.
Except for my match rifles. They get the full Monty every time.
But with the patch out. I might just stay on top of it more often.

[grizzly340]

This is A screen shot of my 1 year old browning bar 30-06  before cleaning with patch out.
Hoping it post. I will take another after cleaning.