Just got back from 8 days of hard hunting, we couldn't find a deer either of us wanted to shoot, about the biggest deer we had a chance at was a very small 3 point with ma ma. I really didn't see anyone with a massive deer, I guess there a few decent 4 by deer taken but we sure didn't see any, although we did see 4 cow/yearling elk which G&F wants out of there and one Condor flying overhead checking us out. We hit most of the North Rim vista points to the Grand Canyon, side by side is totally muddy and will need a good scrubbing tomorrow. I suspect drought, a large fire in 2020, and over hunting in general is not helping IMO. The hard to get drawn for late hunt should be much better as long as it snows to drive the deer down. The local I talked with said they just weren't seeing the deer in the numbers in the past even a logger I talked with pretty much said the same thing. I won't put in for the early hunt again. Anyway got to get ready for a hard elk hunt just after thanksgiving on the South Rim this will be a hard hunt I think.