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Discuss the Weatherby Vanguard® SUB-MOA Stainless

Re: Discuss the Weatherby Vanguard® SUB-MOA Stainless
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2008, 06:25:45 PM »
I just bought a lightly used 270 WSM from another forum's classified section. I did the same thing and just ordered a 2 lb. Timney nickle trigger. I went lighter on the trigger because this is a rifle that I will be shooting from a stand only.
The original trigger had quite a bit of creep to it. The only way to adjust the creep out of it was to engage the sear to the point where the saftey wouldn't work. So...I'll just replace the trigger.
I'm shopping for a good deal on a Bushnell 4200 right now. I can't wait to get everything together so I can get some range time with it.

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Re: Discuss the Weatherby Vanguard® SUB-MOA Stainless
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2009, 08:44:20 PM »
Hello, my name is .300weatherby15. I just recently joined with my buddy, "Kdog," who got me onto this link. I own a .300 Weatherby Stainless Synthetic with the sub-MOA version. I was wondering what was your opinions on what the limit for hunting should be for this caliber. Ranging from cougars, bears, and possibly African plain animals. I got this set up for $1200, with the rifle, scope, mounts, sling, SLV barrel dampener, and bullet band for the stock. I got a very good deal on the rifle (brand new), and bought a Bushnell Elite from a friend for a steal. I like my set up, and according to my description is it adequate? I'm just curious of your opinions... if any of you are on Cabelas talk forums please send me a friend request! I have no hunting buddys  :o! LOL!!!

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Re: Discuss the Weatherby Vanguard® SUB-MOA Stainless
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2009, 09:48:57 AM »
Welcome to the site 300:  I have used mine on everything from deer ,elk, waterbuck, blesbok, impala, kudu, 1500+ lb eland, and worked perfect.  The main thing to remember is the shot placement and use the right bullet for the game intended.  The 300 WBY one of the best all around calibers, but does have limitations such as African dangerous game and the great bears.  It's a little over powered for deer and smaller game unless you are shooting at extreme ranges.

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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2009, 03:47:29 PM »
Ok... I was just curious on what you thought its limitations are. I already knew you cant use it on dangerous game (thats for the .460 Weatherby LOL!!!), but, "The Big Bears?" I know you could if you wanted to... but why not? Whats peoples opinion on using it on the larger bears, like in Alaska? Your saying the coastal bears right? I know my .300 Weatherby would knock 7 kinds of bear crap out of a black bear, lol. But the .300 Weatherby does have enough power to kill the big coastal... right?

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« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2009, 06:38:38 PM »
purplefox66... what load would you use then? Do you like Partitions, or Barnes loads like the MRX, or TSX? I love this rifle to death... because someday it could come to a life death situation with me and this rifle. I have a special connection with this rifle... like Kdog (I encourage you to take a look at his story in recent posts), except I got lost 2 years ago hunting the day before thanksgiving. So long story short, my family called Search & Rescue, and they found me on a logging road at 2:30 am Thanksgiving morning. The man driving me back to town who basically put me writing to you today, shared a heart touching story of traking a rouge cougar... and it killed his buddy cause nobody could hit it. He picked up the rifle of his best friend already dead being attacked still by the cougar... and literally blew it off his friend so he could hear him gurgle blood and die... when we finally came to my house to give me back to my family, he showed me the rifle... and the caliber? It was the .300 Weatherby non the less... Heart warming huh? LOL! So I feel a sense of safety and confidence when I'm with my rifle... I know this is deep, but its true. I am 15 years old! LOL!!! Most people dont believe me (they doubt until I tell them I go to private school! LOL!!!).
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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2009, 05:50:04 PM »
So purplefox66 sorry if this bothers you because its a duh, question. The handload you recommended me, is it a good charge? What kind of game would you be able to hunt with this load. I'm just curious cause I just might use it... also what kinda bullets would you recommend with the handload? This good dependable round when the "crap" hits the fan? I've already been stalked by a wolf this year hunting with my dad up here in northern Idaho... so just want safety to live to see another hunt. Since I'm to young to carry a pistol... my Smith & Wesson knife (9in knife) would deal with it pretty well... I'm not Rambo, but when my lifes on the line... dont mess with me! LOL!!! Its a nice knife that I bought with a leather case, that fits on your waist through your belt I paid $90 dollars for it... I fell pretty safe with that... and my grandfather knows how to sharpen a knife... he he he... LOL!!!

Re: Discuss the Weatherby Vanguard® SUB-MOA Stainless
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2009, 09:15:01 AM »
rl22 84 grains of rl 22 is a verry good place to start. i have over 30 yrs of reloading exp so if this seems hot i know it is a safe load.

I don't want to be offensive here; however, that load is NOT a "good place to start"!  He might end up there, but he shouldn't START there.

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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2009, 11:23:57 AM »
Why would that be, "aka Hunter?" This load does sound hot, but talking to a friend of mine at the gun shop, he said it would be fine. It wont ruin my barrel, but he said it'll give you a "spicy" kick. Hes over viewed my whole families rifles, and I trust him on this, since he gets personal with our business. Its always nice to have a dependable gun smith huh? LOL... and for the bear part of it, this load will do me well then? I'm not just going to make some up and not practice with it, but want to know purplefox66's personal experiences with the load he recommended me...

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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2009, 12:17:15 PM »
Why would that be, "aka Hunter?" This load does sound hot, but talking to a friend of mine at the gun shop, he said it would be fine.

EVERY reloading book/website I've read says that you don't start with max/overmax loads; you start low and work up -- watching for pressure signs as you go.  Just because this load is safe in someone else's gun doesn't necessarily mean it will be safe in your gun -- the manufacturing tolerances allow for differences between guns, and that difference may be enough to allow one gun (and the brass) to tolerate an overmax load while another gun (and the brass) may not tolerate such a load.

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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2009, 12:35:11 PM »
Ok... I appreciate your concern, and I will work it up depending on what my shoulders telling me. Though I am positive this load will not overload my gun though... I got that opinion from someone who I know, trust, and depend on. Its alot more convincing from him... though thanks for caring for my safety though. I will "warm up" my rifle before this, cause its always a good idea to take the first two shots with factory ammunition, then use the handload. I KNOW AS A FACT though that this load wont do anything to my rifle... so I'm still waiting for purplefox66's personal experiences with this load...

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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2009, 01:03:55 PM »
Yeh... your fine! Just what is the personal experiences with this load from the .300 Weatherby do you have?

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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2009, 01:09:12 PM »
Ok... I appreciate your concern, and I will work it up depending on what my shoulders telling me. Though I am positive this load will not overload my gun though....I will "warm up" my rifle before this, cause its always a good idea to take the first two shots with factory ammunition, then use the handload. I KNOW AS A FACT though that this load wont do anything to my rifle

A couple of things: (1) what your shoulder is "telling" you is irrelevant as to handloading; (2) you don't have enough information at this point to be "positive" about "overloading" you gun (3) "warming up" you rifle is irrelevant as to handloading; and (4) using factory ammo for the first two shots is silly -- from where did that idea come?


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Re: Discuss the Weatherby Vanguard® SUB-MOA Stainless
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2009, 01:47:47 PM »
300wby 15 the 180 gr tsx or mrx on top of 84gr of rl22 would be good for anything in north america just woork up to that load to be sure it is safe in your rifle. good shooting and hunting.

Hunter, you're dead on with the work up part of things.  I don't know if the original post quoted above has been edited, but it does actually say to work up to be sure it's safe.  Beyond that, 300Wby15 is pretty sure of what he believes (regardless of the facts in some instances) and generally behaves like the 15yr old kid he is.  On the flip side, he learns a bit here and there, too, like most 15yr old kids do.  Don't take any of the conversation too seriously.  I don't have the Barnes manual (either #3 or #4) so I can't speak for their data with RL22, but looking at the manuals I do have, I'd say 84gr is pretty darn close to a max load with any rifle, as every current manual I have shows no more than 82.5gr of RL22 with any kind of 180gr bullet (and that's no fewer than five current manuals).  I do have one older manual (two printings removed from what's current) that shows 84.5gr to be a safe max charge, but the bullets in this manual have a relatively short bearing surface, where the Barnes has a longer bearing surface, and would generate more pressure.  In more modern testing, the max load from that company's current manual shows only 82.5gr of RL22.  If it were me, I'd sure as crap work up with a good manual, and start at the start charges.  I don't care who the gunsmith is, if he said that load was "safe" in your rifle, without going through load workup, he's a dangerous individual and will get someone's eye put out or hands blown off before he's done.  I've been handloading for nearly 20yrs, and I've loaded and shot literally thousands of rounds, through dozens of guns (mine and other's), and I'm not willing to say any load close to max is safe in any rifle I haven't worked it up in.  I've had instances where start charges were all I could run in a rifle - the second charge step flattened primers and put ejector marks on the case head.

Be safe.  With people loading for you and advising you like it sounds like you have, 300Wby15, you're in more danger from your counsel than the bears and such you wish to be prepared for.  Be safe.  Learn what you're doing before you do it.  Handloading is not all about experimenting to see what happens.
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Re: Discuss the Weatherby Vanguard® SUB-MOA Stainless
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2009, 02:09:17 PM »
300wby 15 the 180 gr tsx or mrx on top of 84gr of rl22 would be good for anything in north america just woork up to that load to be sure it is safe in your rifle. good shooting and hunting.

Hunter, you're dead on with the work up part of things.  I don't know if the original post quoted above has been edited, but it does actually say to work up to be sure it's safe. 

I may have seen that cautionary note when I posted above; however, I can just see someone focusing on the "good place to start" post and never seeing the cautionary note. 

Purplefox66 -- Thanks for your follow-up words of caution to our young friend from CDA.

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Re: Discuss the Weatherby Vanguard® SUB-MOA Stainless
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2009, 03:18:41 PM »
Derrill, I've read and re-read your post, and it's abundantly clear that load is a max load to be worked up to safely.  No worries on your posts, man.
I believe this is a practical world, and in it I can count only on what I can earn.  Therefore I believe in work, hard work. - The Auburn Creed
The older I get, the less stock I place in what men say, and the more I place in what men do. - Andrew Carnegie