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Something coming from Winchester?

Re: Something coming from Winchester?
« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2020, 09:48:30 AM »
Could possibly just be an attempt by Winchester to drum up sales.  I could be wrong.  I've been wrong before.  Last time I think was 1964 when I voted for Goldwater.  On second thought I don't think I was wrong then.

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Re: Something coming from Winchester?
« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2020, 02:58:58 PM »
The 6.8 Westerner: 65,000 psi, 175 grain (.277) with muzzle velocity average of 2,840 fps.
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Re: Something coming from Winchester?
« Reply #47 on: December 29, 2020, 03:50:34 PM »
Pretty impressive velocity, even for factory over rated numbers!  :) If the ammo/brass and load info shows up with the rifle, I'll certainly be interested

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Re: Something coming from Winchester?
« Reply #48 on: December 29, 2020, 06:08:29 PM »
If these numbers are for sure correct ?  I don't know what their reasoning would be ?   

Re: Something coming from Winchester?
« Reply #49 on: December 29, 2020, 06:53:33 PM »
Honestly...I don’t either. Unless someone has their heart set on shooting a 175 grain bullet from a .270 caliber rifle? There are several 7mm magnums that will do that much more effectively.

I’m a big Winchester fan, but they lost me with this one...
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Re: Something coming from Winchester?
« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2020, 10:46:58 AM »
I'm going go off track here.  I love Winchesters also especially the old pre-64 model 70's  or the newer better quality  model 70's built on the pre-64 style.  Super grades and the old light weights and feather weights are awfully nice.   I guess we are just going to have to wait and see who Winchester plans on selling this cartridge to.   I target shoot for my own purposes as a means to an end and that's hunting.  If I were going to build a rifle it's caliber / cartridge combination has to just fly first and foremost,  it would have to be of a caliber that has a lot of  on the shelf  high BC bullet options,  and has to have the horse power to kill an Elk at over 1000 yds which really leaves out IMO anything smaller than 6.5  mm.  Wildcat options might be  6.5/378,  7mm/378,  6.5 Ultra Mag, and larger diameters,  etc.  Just from a purely long range hunting stand point the higher velocity 338 ballistic options is about as good as it gets.   I know a lot of people aren't going to like long range hunting and that's totally OK , I gave up trying to explain that one.  A lot of guys and some gals where I live like to hunt Coues deer  and other animals at extreme ranges cross canyons open country, and that means using  enough gun, not because the cartridge has enough or to much power but because of hit probability.    I know quite a  few people that  hunt  these smaller deer with  various  7mm & 300 mag's,  30-378's, all of the ultra-mags, some 338's , several more horse powered  6.5's, and while some  people  are not accustomed  to this type of hunting might look at the set-up these long range people use and ask what do you need that for.  If you gotta ask we will leave it at that.  My own personal preference on these precision rifles at least for hunting I think Weatherby has the right idea of keeping weight down and using more traditional stocks.   If  I were going to buy a 338 Lapua it would most likely be a Weatherby because of the weight, it's going to be carried and who wants to carry a 12 pound rifle in the mtns plus all the other stuff.   
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Re: Something coming from Winchester?
« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2020, 03:47:56 PM »
175 gr. .277 bullet sounds new as well! Berger has a 180 but requires a really fast twist rate. Berger bullets are great on paper but designed to fragment on game.

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Re: Something coming from Winchester?
« Reply #52 on: December 31, 2020, 10:30:38 AM »
Got a little more carrot dangling from Winchester this morning:
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Re: Something coming from Winchester?
« Reply #53 on: December 31, 2020, 11:06:47 AM »
I’m happy to see someone put some effort into the 270.
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Re: Something coming from Winchester?
« Reply #54 on: December 31, 2020, 04:06:14 PM »
Seen they are introducing their new cartridge as a new long range hunting cartridge
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Re: Something coming from Winchester?
« Reply #55 on: December 31, 2020, 04:08:04 PM »
Guess they will be competing with SIG on their 277 Fury.  :)

Re: Something coming from Winchester?
« Reply #56 on: January 01, 2021, 08:32:26 AM »
Looks like they are offering 3 initial offerings of ammunition.

Winchester Expedition Big-Game Long Range | 165 Grain Accubond LR | S68WLR | MSRP $38.99

Winchester Ballistic Silvertip | 170 Grainn Ballistic Silvertip | SBST68W | MSRP $37.99

Browning Long Range Pro Hunter | 175 Grain Sierra Tipped Game King | B192500682 | No MSRP at this Time

Lots of rifles to pick from to.

X-Bolt Hell’s Canyon Long Range McMillan | MSRP $2,279.99

X-Bolt Hell’s Canyon Max Long Range | MSRP $1,459.99

X-Bolt Max Long Range | MSRP $1,339.99

X-Bolt Hell’s Canyon Speed A-TACS AU Camo | MSRP $1,299.99

X-Bolt Hell’s Canyon Long Range | MSRP $1,319.99

X-Bolt Western Hunter Long Range | MSRP $1,139.99

X-Bolt Western Hunter | MSRP $1,099.99

X-Bolt Hunter Long Range | MSRP $1,329.99

XPR | MSRP $549.99

XPR Compact | MSRP $549.99

XPR Hunter True Timber Strata | MSRP $599.99

XPR Sporter | MSRP $599.99

XPR Renegade Long Range SR | MSRP $1,069.99

XPR Stealth, Suppressor Ready | MSRP $619.99

XPR Hunter Scope Combo – True Timber Strata | MSRP $769.99

Model 70 Super Grade | MSRP $1,519.99

Model 70 Featherweight | MSRP $1,079.99

Model 70 Featherweight Compact | MSRP $1,079.99

Model 70 Extreme Weather | MSRP $1,599.99

Model 70 Long Range | $1,529.99

Re: Something coming from Winchester?
« Reply #57 on: January 01, 2021, 10:14:02 AM »
What would be impressive is a cartridge that isn't based on a cartridge already in existence or almost obsolete one.

Re: Something coming from Winchester?
« Reply #58 on: January 01, 2021, 11:28:06 AM »
Don't get me wrong...I love Winchester rifles.  I have a lot of Winchester Model 70s and with all respect to Weatherby Mark Vs...I actually like the Model 70 better (I'll probably take a beating for that statement).  Although I don't own one, I think the 270 WSM appears to be a good cartridge as well.

That said...I just don't get this particular new cartridge (6.8 Western).  Heavier bullets out of a .277 cartridge?  If that is the desire, just buy a 7mm or .30 cal. 

I get the long range thing as well, but I just fail to see the advantage to a short magnum .270 in that pursuit as well.  If I was a really dedicated .277 cartridge fan that wanted to shoot heavier bullets at long range, I would probably go for a 27 Nosler.

This feels like the period when Remington came out with the Ultra Mags and Winchester came out with the Winchester Short Magnums.  Remington kind of won that round with the Ultra Mags and the Winchester Short Magnum cartridges languished.  I realize the Ultra Mags have fallen out of favor a bit with the general shooting public, but it seems like they have maintained a following in the long range groups.
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Re: Something coming from Winchester?
« Reply #59 on: January 01, 2021, 12:24:26 PM »
This is from Nov. 2020:

6.8 Western from Winchester
Developed by Olin Winchester, the 6.8 Western was introduced with a maximum average pressure of 65,000 psi, with a .277-caliber 175-grain bullet traveling at a velocity of 2,840 fps. A shorter variant of the Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) family, the new cartridge appears to be about .090″ shorter than the .270 WSM. It has the same 35-degree shoulder angle as the .270 WSM.

https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/6.8-Western-Public-Introduction-Orig-2020-11-01.pdf

6.8 western rebated precision magnum cartridge western .270 wsm SAAMI
For additional information on these new cartridge designs and other recently accepted cartridge and chamber designs, visit SAAMI.org.
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