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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: TSX PERFORMANCE
« on: December 16, 2013, 02:22:27 PM »
There's a video put out by barns about there bullets and how they work kinda of interesting it's on YouTube. After watching I'm under standing the mixed results. The just of the viedo is they are design to work with Hydraulick shock not hydrostatic shock like lead core bullets. What I gathered was shoot for the ribs not the shoulder. But watch for your salfe.
The terms "hydraulic shock" and "hydrostatic shock" have been used for decades in reference to bullet performance on flesh or animal tissue.  In this context they are used to describe the same thing. They are based on the fact that a liquid cannot be compressed so that when a moving object contacts a liquid, the liquid is displaced.  Since the greatest percentage of animal tissue is liquid, hydraulic shock is a large factor in the trauma and tissue damage that results from a bullet hitting an animal

In true physics, the term "hydrostatic shock" is a misnomer, as "static" refers to bodies having no motion, or bodies being at rest.

" Shoot for the ribs not the shoulder."  Especially if you want to eat the animal that you are shooting.

A couple of years ago, I shot my first elk with my new .300 Weatherby and a TSX bullet.  I correctly put the 168 gr TSX bullet just behind the bulls shoulder.  It zipped between his ribs, through his lungs, between his ribs on the other side, and out into the forest.  He turned around, took 3 steps, and fell dead. 

After many years of killing elk with Nosler Partition bullets that left very large areas of bloodshot tissue in the ribcages, I was so impressed with the minor amount of meat lost on that elk that I took pictures of the TSX entrance and exit wounds and posted those pictures on several hunting forums.  Other hunters posted statements like "you can eat right up to the hole that a TSX makes," which was pretty much true with my "behind the shoulder" shot.

So opening morning of elk season this past October I spot this 5 point bull feeding on the hill above me.  He was just inside some private land that I didn't have permission to hunt on.  When he fed behind some trees, I headed up the hill to a couple of trees where I hoped to ambush him when he came out of the trees and off the private land.

Just as I got to my ambush point, I looked up and he's standing broadside, on my side of the fence, looking at me.  As I take a couple of deep breaths and try to steady my crosshairs, he turns, steps over the fence and disappears back into the private land.

Just before sunset, I went back to that hill and there he was feeding in an opening, about 30 yards on the side of the fence that I can hunt on.  I again quickly climbed up the hill and when I got to my ambush point, he's still standing there about 175 yards away, quartering to me.

I've killed enough elk that I should have known better, but I've also hunted Africa numerous times and had my PH say "Hold on his shoulder," and my last elk shot with a TSX bullet destroyed very little meat, and other people said "you can eat right up to the bullet hole," and I didn't want to shoot and have him die on the private land, and ...... so I held on the center of his near shoulder and squeezed the trigger.

My 168 gr TTSX bullet hit exactly where I aimed, and the bull dropped in his tracks.

However, inside the elk, the bullet had hit the shoulder blade in the middle of the narrowest part, shattering it in half.  Then it went through a rib bone before entering the chest cavity.  It did go through both lungs, then it went through another rib when it left the cavity, and it stopped just under the skin right behind the off shoulder.

The wound cavity through the shoulder was large enough that I could put my fist through it.  It also had a number of various sized bone chips from the shoulder blade in it.  The meat for 6-8" around the hole was so bloodshot that it was almost black.  Also most of the loose space between the muscles in the near shoulder and almost all of the near ribcage and up into the neck was filled with thick bloodshot jell.  I lost at least a quarter of the meat from that shoulder and ribcage. 

The results of the hydraulic shock from that 168 grain TTSX bullet on that elk was as large or larger than what I have ever seen on any other elk.

 

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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: barrel pressure point
« on: December 15, 2013, 12:04:45 PM »
I'm with fuonlynu on this, as I free float the barrels on all of my rifles.  All have glass bedded actions and barrel channels, but the barrels are free floated.  I also pillar bedded several of the rifles.  Prepared this way, all of my rifles will shoot moa or better.

As for the factory barrel pressure point, if you remove it and later want it back, a new one can easily be made with a little epoxy.  Just put a little epoxy in the bottom of the barrel channel where the previous pressure point was, and tighten the barrel down on a strip of a match box placed near the front of the channel.  A piece of thin plastic wrap between the barrel and the epoxy will prevent the epoxy from bonding to the barrel.

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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: bullets
« on: December 13, 2013, 10:51:55 PM »
I've shot several dozen animals (deer, antelope, sheep) with my .257 Ackley, most with 117 gr Sierra GameKing bullets.  Most of the bullets completely passed through the animals, but I found 4 in my recovered bullet box.  All had expanded to at least double their caliber diameter.

I've only shot two animals with that rifle and 115 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets.  Both were complete pass throughs on pronghorn antelope.  Both animals were DRT but there were no bullets left to examine.

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Whitetail Deer / Re: factory ammo for deer?
« on: December 13, 2013, 04:32:41 PM »
I'm not sure if the above posts were written about spitzer bullets in general or just a particular brand of spitzer bullets.  Actually the term "spitzer" refers to the shape of a bullet (pointed) and not necessarily the construction of the bullet.

Deer are not that hard to kill.  Any factory loaded hunting bullet from a .300 Weatherby would easily kill a deer IF it is put in the right place.

As for elk, they are larger and tougher than deer so you need a bullet that will give you deeper penetration than is needed for deer.

Most of the elk that I have killed were with .30 caliber 180 gr Nosler Partitions, but I also killed quite a few with standard cup and core spitzer bullets.  My best bull (DIY, public land) net scored 366" B&C was killed with a 180 gr Sierra GameKing from my .30-06, and my second best bull (also DIY, public land) net scored 330" B&C was dropped in his tracks with a 117 gr Sierra GameKing bullet from my .257 Ackley. 

My favorite elk bullet now is the 168 gr TTSX handloaded for my .300 Weatherby.

Bullet placement is far more important than bullet diameter or shape.

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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: TSX PERFORMANCE
« on: December 13, 2013, 03:28:06 PM »
It's copper what do you expect?! Stick with Nosler Accubond bullets or Nosler Partitions and you won't have any problems on Elk or any critter.  ::) I hate the TSX bullet as they don't expand much if any!

I shoot 160 gr Accubonds in my 7mm RM.  I used them on one African plains game hunt and killed 5 animals with them.  Every time the skinners would open up one of my animals, my PH (who also shot a 7mm RM) would comment on the large wound channel that the Accubond had made.  I also used them on a couple of caribou and a musk ox in northern Canada and on a Montana elk.  I have yet to recover an Accubond, but they have all performed well for me.

For 20 some years I hunted with 180 gr Nosler Partitions handloaded at 2995 fps from my .30 Gibbs.  I killed an elk just about every year plus a couple of Shiras moose with them.  They also performed very well, and I would often find the back half of bullet just under the skin on the off side of the animal.

Here's some of the 180 gr Partitions that I recovered from elk that I shot.  The expanded diameters are about the same as the expanded TTSX bullets shown in my post above.  All of the Barnes bullets shown in my above post expanded to at least twice their original diameters.  Four of those Barnes bullets also retained 99% plus of their original weight.



I have also killed scores of animals with standard cup and core bullets like Sierra GameKings.  All of these bullets worked as they killed the animals that were shot with them.  The only bullets that I have had fail to work were the ones that I failed to put into the right place.


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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: TSX PERFORMANCE
« on: December 12, 2013, 10:46:22 PM »
I started using TSX bullets in 2005 when I booked a Cape Buffalo/Plains Game hunt in Zimbabwe and another week of Plains Game hunting in South Africa.  For that hunt I also bought and customized a Rem 700 Stainless in .375 RUM.  The bullets that I chose for that hunt were Barnes 300 gr TSXs that I handloaded to 2830 muzzle velocity and shot moa to 200 yards.

I shot 5 animals on that hunt (including the buffalo in my avatar) with that .375 RUM and the 300 gr TSX bullets.  The only bullet recovered was this one that killed my buffalo.



In 2007 I returned to South Africa for a PG hunt in the Eastern Cape region.  On that hunt the only rifle that I took was my .375 RUM, this time loaded with 270 gr TSX bullets handloaded to 3040 fps.  Those bullets also shoot moa in my rifle.

I shot 13 animals on that trip with my .375 RUM and 270 gr TSX bullets.  Most were one shot DRT kills, including a Vaal Rhebok shot at 230 yds and a Gemsbok at 348 yds.  Most of the bullets completely passed through the animals, but we did recover these two bullets from a Kudu.



In 2009 I bought and customized a .300 Weatherby Vanguard.  It shoots both my 180 gr TSX and 168 gr TSX handloads moa.  My first hunt with this rifle was in 2010 when I used it on an exotic hunt in West Texas.  On that hunt I shot 168 gr TSX bullets handloaded to 3290 fps, and the three animals that I shot were all one shot DRT kills and the bullets completely passed through the animals.

I also used my .300 Weatherby and a 168 gr TSX bullet that fall for a Montana bull elk.  That was also a one shot DRT kill and again the bullet completely passed through the bull.

In 2012 I again hunted Plains Game in South Africa, this time in the Limpopo Province. Just before I left on that hunt, I tried some 168 gr TTSX bullets in my .300 Weatherby.  Those handloads have a muzzle velocity of 3250 fps and shoot sub-moa 3 shot groups, so that was the rifle and bullets that I used on this African hunt.

I shot 5 animals on that hunt with my .300 Weatherby and the 168 gr TTSX bullets.  Again, all were one shot DRT kills out to 314 yds.  Three of the TTSX bullets completely passed through the animals, and we recovered the other two which were perfect mushrooms.

I also used my .300 Weatherby and a 168 gr TTSX bullet to kill my bull elk this past season, and recovered that bullet.




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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Thoughts on recoil
« on: November 16, 2013, 11:00:24 PM »
... I'm curious what a mercury recoil reducer would do for it because the muzzle still jumps...

Like I posted above, I have a mercury or mechanical reducer in 3 of my shotguns and 2 of my rifles.  I know the 2 in my rifles are mechanical, and at least one in the shotguns is mercury.  I don't know if one is better than the other.  They each weigh about 8 oz, and just the added weight absorbs some of the recoil.  They also each noticeably reduce the felt recoil.

I do still have some muzzle jump in my .300 Wby and my .375 RUM, but their recoil is not bad.  My Skeet and Trap doubles gun is a Browning Citori that has Pro Ported barrels and a recoil reducer in the stock.  With 7/8 oz 12 gauge loads, there is virtually no muzzle jump.  I enjoy breaking station 7 Skeet doubles just as fast as I can pull the trigger twice. ;D

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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Thoughts on recoil
« on: November 16, 2013, 12:34:21 AM »
+3 fasttrx

I like to shoot and I shoot a lot, but I do not like recoil.

I shot registered Trap for about 10 years, shooting about 10,000 shells per year.  Then I shot registered Skeet for another 10 years and again averaged about 10,000 shells per year.  The individual meets were usually 200 targets per day, and with a practice round or two and maybe a shoot off, it was not unusual to shoot another 100 or more shells per day.  I also shot one competition that was 500 targets in a day.

To reduce the recoil and resulting fatigue of shooting 200-500 12 gauge shotshells per day, I had both of my Trap and Skeet guns ported, and I installed mechanical or mercury recoil reducers in their stocks.  Both my Trap and Skeet averages improved after I reduced the recoil.

I also have a 12 ga Rem 870 shotgun that was "biting" my cheek when I shot it.  That was beginning to cause a flinch, so I installed a recoil reducer in it's stock, and the biting stopped.

In 2004 I bought a .375 RUM for a Cape Buffalo hunt that I had booked in Zimbabwe.  The first time that I took that rifle to the range, I quit shooting it after only 6 shells because the recoil was too severe. It was not a fun rifle to shoot.  To tame the recoil on that beast, I put it into a custom stock that fits me, has a Limbsaver pad, installed a recoil reducer in the stock, and had a KDF muzzle brake installed on it.

Now the felt recoil on that rifle is not any worse than my 7mm Rem mag.  I have shot numerous 3 shot moa groups out to 200 yds  with both 270 grain and 300 grain TSX bullets, and I have taken it on two African hunt where I shot a buffalo and a variety of plains game animals with it.  I shot a number of those animals from prone positions with absolutely no problems from recoil.

A few years ago I finally bought a .300 Weatherby Vanguard.  Before I ever shot it I customized it like my .375 RUM:  a new stock, a Limbsaver pad, a recoil reducer in the stock, and a KDF muzzle brake.  With those modifications, this rifle does not recoil any more than my .270 Win.

This rifle also shoots sub moa out to 400 m with 168 gr and 180 gr TSX bullets, 168 gr TTSX bullets, and 168 gr Hornady BTHP bullets. I've used it on a number of North American and one African hunt with great success.  I also regularly shoot it from a prone position at targets out to 400m at our range, again with absolutely no recoil problems.


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Whitetail Deer / Re: 6.5 weatherby
« on: November 14, 2013, 09:49:51 PM »
Great bucks.  Congratulations

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Whitetail Deer / Re: Best caliber for deer and elk ?
« on: November 14, 2013, 09:43:03 PM »
I started hunting elk when I moved to northwestern Colorado in the late '60s.  The locals that I worked with all got their mule deer and elk every year with their .270 Wins and .30-06s.  They'd laugh and said only the "city dudes" from Denver hunted with .300 magnums.

So I bought a .30-06 and got my deer and elk with it just about every year until the late '70s when a friend showed me a .30 Gibbs case.  That case looked sooo cool that I just had to have my .30-06 re-chambered to that cartridge. 

My "new" .30 Gibbs shot 180 gr Partitions at just under 3000 fps, and for the next 20 or so years I got my elk almost every year plus a couple of Shiras moose with my .30 Gibbs.  For deer, antelope, and several sheep, I built a .257 Ackley. 

One year I was doing a solo backpack bighorn sheep hunt in one of Montana's unlimited tag areas when a nice 6x6 bull with heavy, black antlers with white tips came walking through the lodgepoles toward me.  I was hunting sheep with my .257 AI, but I didn't give the caliber or bullet a second thought, and a 117 gr Sierra Gameking bullet dropped that bull in his tracks.

I killed my first bull elk with a .30-40 Krag, and have also killed bulls with a sharp stick, a 7mm Rem mag, and my last two bulls were shot with my new favorite elk cartridge, my .300 Weatherby.  My .300 Wby has also performed superbly on a variety of North American and African animals from 40 to 700 pounds. 

I've lived in elk country most of my life.  Many of friends regularly get their elk with their .25-06, .270 Win, 7mm Rem, .30-06, or .300 Win mags.

Like others have posted, bullet placement is far more important than caliber or cartridge.  And your odds of making a quick killing shot are greater at ranges less than 300 yards than they are at longer ranges. 

As for the BEST caliber for antelope, deer, and elk, I would say it is the one that you are the most comfortable with and can shoot the best.  On multiple game hunts, I choose the cartridge that I feel is the best for the largest animal.  For elk, I like a .30 caliber, for deer and antelope, I like a .25 caliber.  ALL of the cartridges listed in the OP will easily kill antelope, deer, and elk.  Not everyone can comfortably and accurately shoot .300 or larger magnums.

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Rifles / Re: a vanguard for elk
« on: November 08, 2013, 06:29:29 PM »
After about 40 years of hunting elk, my new favorite elk rifle is my .300 Weatherby Vanguard.

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Elk / Re: My October Bull
« on: November 07, 2013, 10:14:52 PM »
Nice bull, Congratulations.

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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: TTSX or TSX
« on: October 31, 2013, 06:31:06 PM »
My .300 Weatherby Vanguard shoots 3-shot moa groups with 168 and 180 gr TSX bullets.  It shoots 168 gr TTSX bullets a little better.

The 10 North American and African big game animals that I have shot with this rifle were all one shot DRT kills those bullets.

I only shoot handloads.

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Elk / Re: New to me Weatherby and first Elk
« on: October 30, 2013, 12:24:22 AM »
I'm assuming your avatar pic is your first elk?  Great start.  The .300 Weatherby rocks!!

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Around the Campfire (General Discussion) / Re: Elk
« on: October 29, 2013, 11:24:43 PM »
My favorite elk rifle now is my .300 Weatherby shooting 168 gr TTSX bullets.  Before I got my .300 Bee most of the elk and the two moose that I shot were with my .30 Gibbs shooting 180 gr Nosler Partitions.  Those bullets were shot at approximately .300 Win velocities, and most of the elk and both of the moose were one shot kills.

The key to successful elk hunting is being able to put a well constructed bullet into the heart/lungs of the animal.  This is accomplished with a lot of shooting practice, and you must not be afraid of your rifle.  I average shooting at least a box of shells a month, all year, through my .300 Weatherby at targets out to 440 yds.

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